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"In their book (2012), “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare...."
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Targeted especially to students and teachers of history, this set on wars will also be of interest to the general public. The work focuses on details of the fighting as well as on the social and political contexts of the time of each war. Arranged alphabetically (from Abbasid Revolution to Zulu War), the more than 1,800 entries cover the rather obscure to the more well-known wars from classical times to present day, circa 8,000 B.C.E. (Jericho, Fall of) to 2003 (United States-Iraq War).

Each entry includes a list of belligerents, statement of the causes, date of the declaration of war, numbers (where known) of those bearing arms and the casualties suffered, a summary of the outcome, and names and dates of treaties or documents (if any) ending the conflict. A narrative discussion capsulizes the social and political context of the period, the major battles and events of the war, and the wider significance of the conflict. The discussions range from half a page for the Afghan revolt of 699-701 to 40-plus pages for World War II, with slight emphasis given to North American conflicts. Cross-references point to related entries and from common alternate names of conflicts. Suggestions for further reading close out the entries.

Volume 1 includes a list of entries and a list of the more than 60 maps that are scattered throughout the set, and volume 3 includes a chronological listing of wars, a selected bibliography, and an index. Treatment of larger conflicts is segmented. For example, World War II is discussed in a series of entries, including Historical background, Outbreak and early German conquests, Africa and the Mediterranean, Atlantic front, China-Burma-India Theater, Greece and the Balkans, Italian front, Pacific, Russian front, and Western front.

The authors, history professors who worked on this encyclopedia for 10 years, have produced a very readable and apparently well-researched book that both scholars and history buffs will enjoy. As with other Facts On File reference books, this set is easy to use and well designed. This would be an excellent purchase for high-school, college, and public libraries. kaye talley
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"In their book (2012), “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare...."
from amazon's American Library Association review


Targeted especially to students and teachers of history, this set on wars will also be of interest to the general public. The work focuses on details of the fighting as well as on the social and political contexts of the time of each war. Arranged alphabetically (from Abbasid Revolution to Zulu War), the more than 1,800 entries cover the rather obscure to the more well-known wars from classical times to present day, circa 8,000 B.C.E. (Jericho, Fall of) to 2003 (United States-Iraq War).

Each entry includes a list of belligerents, statement of the causes, date of the declaration of war, numbers (where known) of those bearing arms and the casualties suffered, a summary of the outcome, and names and dates of treaties or documents (if any) ending the conflict. A narrative discussion capsulizes the social and political context of the period, the major battles and events of the war, and the wider significance of the conflict. The discussions range from half a page for the Afghan revolt of 699-701 to 40-plus pages for World War II, with slight emphasis given to North American conflicts. Cross-references point to related entries and from common alternate names of conflicts. Suggestions for further reading close out the entries.

Volume 1 includes a list of entries and a list of the more than 60 maps that are scattered throughout the set, and volume 3 includes a chronological listing of wars, a selected bibliography, and an index. Treatment of larger conflicts is segmented. For example, World War II is discussed in a series of entries, including Historical background, Outbreak and early German conquests, Africa and the Mediterranean, Atlantic front, China-Burma-India Theater, Greece and the Balkans, Italian front, Pacific, Russian front, and Western front.

The authors, history professors who worked on this encyclopedia for 10 years, have produced a very readable and apparently well-researched book that both scholars and history buffs will enjoy. As with other Facts On File reference books, this set is easy to use and well designed. This would be an excellent purchase for high-school, college, and public libraries. kaye talley
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Clueless atheist buddies? As one of the clueless, I've not thought that most wars are fought over religion. IMO most are fought over land and power.

Interesting that you label naysayers as clueless atheists then proceed to try to make your point by quoting a self described atheist.
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Most wars are fought over land and power. Religion is quite often used as an excuse or a motivator, but is not the cause of the war.
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Clueless atheist buddies? As one of the clueless, I've not thought that most wars are fought over religion. IMO most are fought over land and power.

Interesting that you label naysayers as clueless atheists then proceed to try to make your point by quoting a self described atheist.
I didn't make the comments in the facebook post, they simply came along with the Chart.
which is all I was really interested in. i almost took time to go into photoshopshop and remove the facebook commentary. Not my intent to insult or say that ALL atheist bought into this idea. but it is an idea the is popular among many atheist and is said OFFHANDEDLY by many atheist and the generally non-religious.
"region is the cause of violence and conflict and wars... or ....the MAIN cause... or ...the Biggest cause"
Is something I've heard outright or implied for decades.
Atheist aren't a monolith but this has been a GO TO put down of religion for a long time... expressed outright or imply.
Heck, the song 'Imagine' by Lennon says
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

the best selling writer speaker atheist proselytizer Sam Harris says falsely that religion is;
"...the most prolific source of violence in our history..."

So while you personally and others may have other views and are better informed, the idea has been in the air for decades(or longer) and promoted by atheist generally.
nothing personal.
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bad men use religion to start wars, but the reason may actually be political.
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I didn't make the comments in the facebook post, they simply came along with the Chart.
which is all I was really interested in. i almost took time to go into photoshopshop and remove the facebook commentary. Not my intent to insult or say that ALL atheist bought into this idea. but it is an idea the is popular among many atheist and is said OFFHANDEDLY by many atheist and the generally non-religious.
"region is the cause of violence and conflict and wars... or ....the MAIN cause... or ...the Biggest cause"
Is something I've heard outright or implied for decades.
Atheist aren't a monolith but this has been a GO TO put down of religion for a long time... expressed outright or imply.
Heck, the song 'Imagine' by Lennon says
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

the best selling writer speaker atheist proselytizer Sam Harris says falsely that religion is;
"...the most prolific source of violence in our history..."

So while you personally and others may have other views and are better informed, the idea has been in the air for decades(or longer) and promoted by atheist generally.
nothing personal.
Out of curiosity, how many atheists do you know well enough to know how they believe on issues? I don't attend the meetings, but the 3 or 4 I have any knowledge of think generally like most other groups.

I don't know anything about this guy Harris, or the Atran guy. They seem to have differing and opposing opinions.
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Clueless atheist buddies? As one of the clueless, I've not thought that most wars are fought over religion. IMO most are fought over land and power.

Interesting that you label naysayers as clueless atheists then proceed to try to make your point by quoting a self described atheist.
Is it possible the "clueless atheist buddies" are the atheist buddies that believe most wars are caused by religion. I mean if all atheist are clueless, why do you need to use that as a descriptor. Just say, "my atheist buddies". It's only because some of them are clueless and some of them aren't that he/she has to use the adjective.
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Out of curiosity, how many atheists do you know well enough to know how they believe on issues? I don't attend the meetings, but the 3 or 4 I have any knowledge of think generally like most other groups.

I don't know anything about this guy Harris, or the Atran guy. They seem to have differing and opposing opinions.
Over the years I've known a few.
I was an agnostic myself. But i wasn't really ANTI-religion.
one of my best friends was a practical atheist and enjoyed making fun of God and Christianity. he eventually became a Christain himself.
I became pretty close too a young lady whowas an atheist, and basically an 'Objectivist' , a follower of Ayn Rand. She Introduced me to Rand's books and got me to read Atlas Shrug which we talked about for some time.
the issue of 'religion and wars' never really came up that i remember.
I worked at a newspaper in the newsroom for about 6 years, many reporters were left wing atheist, most had 'pat' replies and snarky mocking attitudes towards religion in general . I could barely get into a serious conversation with them about. A few were more thoughtful, but still not easy to talk to about religion, so we didn't.

So yes i've 'known' a few.

but even if i had not know any personally, it doesn't change the fact that in many public venues, debates and various public commentary over the years the idea has been promoted.

haven't heard of Sam Harris, Ok , again he's best selling Atheist writer in speaker. and generally a current rockstar among some atheist.
here he is debating a Chrsitain philosopher William Lane Craig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZ-yodMZFg

and WHO is that "Atran guy"? I didn't mention any "Atran".
I mentioned John Lennon.

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Is it possible the "clueless atheist buddies" are the atheist buddies that believe most wars are caused by religion. I mean if all atheist are clueless, why do you need to use that as a descriptor. Just say, "my atheist buddies". It's only because some of them are clueless and some of them aren't that he/she has to use the adjective.
again I didn't use it. the facebook writter did.
But i have to say seems you guys are pretty sensitive to that. you keep mentioning that verbal dig OVER and OVER, what's up with that?
It's not a significant part of the commentary. it's a side show.
no need to obsess about it.

the point is, it's a been a popular and WRONG concept floated in the air directly or implied for decades by atheist against religion.
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A few more examples of the "clueless" atheist floating the lie around the internet.









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again I didn't use it. the facebook writter did.
But i have to say seems you guys are pretty sensitive to that. you keep mentioning that verbal dig OVER and OVER, what's up with that?
It's not a significant part of the commentary. it's a side show.
no need to obsess about it.

the point is, it's a been a popular and WRONG concept floated in the air directly or implied for decades by atheist against religion.
1. I'm about as far from being an atheist as a person can get. Not an atheist here, so I don't know what you mean by "you guys".

2. I knew you didn't use it, that the facebook writer did. Thus my use of "he\she" since I didn't know who the facebook writer is. I know in this day and age it's not right to assume someones gender, but if I was to use a pronoun referencing someone going by Mr. Wonder I would use just the "he".

3. My response was to Jimbo not you. He appeared to take offense at being called clueless saying "Clueless atheist buddies? As one of the clueless, I've not thought that most wars are fought over religion." I DID quote him in my response. The whole point of my post was that his being offended by the "clueless atheist" was silly.

So, in other-words, I was on YOUR side. So I'm not really sure what your beef with me is? Honestly, I would think Jimbo would be the one to be upset by anything I said.
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