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Over the years I've known a few.
I was an agnostic myself. But i wasn't really ANTI-religion.
one of my best friends was a practical atheist and enjoyed making fun of God and Christianity. he eventually became a Christain himself.
I became pretty close too a young lady whowas an atheist, and basically an 'Objectivist' , a follower of Ayn Rand. She Introduced me to Rand's books and got me to read Atlas Shrug which we talked about for some time.
the issue of 'religion and wars' never really came up that i remember.
I worked at a newspaper in the newsroom for about 6 years, many reporters were left wing atheist, most had 'pat' replies and snarky mocking attitudes towards religion in general . I could barely get into a serious conversation with them about. A few were more thoughtful, but still not easy to talk to about religion, so we didn't.

So yes i've 'known' a few.

but even if i had not know any personally, it doesn't change the fact that in many public venues, debates and various public commentary over the years the idea has been promoted.

haven't heard of Sam Harris, Ok , again he's best selling Atheist writer in speaker. and generally a current rockstar among some atheist.
here he is debating a Chrsitain philosopher William Lane Craig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZ-yodMZFg

and WHO is that "Atran guy"? I didn't mention any "Atran".
I mentioned John Lennon.


again I didn't use it. the facebook writter did.
But i have to say seems you guys are pretty sensitive to that. you keep mentioning that verbal dig OVER and OVER, what's up with that?
It's not a significant part of the commentary. it's a side show.
no need to obsess about it.

the point is, it's a been a popular and WRONG concept floated in the air directly or implied for decades by atheist against religion.
You're making a lot of opinions presented as fact. I don't see a word of backup.

The guy is the self proclaimed atheist you used as your source in the opening statement/chart.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:12 PM
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1. I'm about as far from being an atheist as a person can get. Not an atheist here, so I don't know what you mean by "you guys".

2. I knew you didn't use it, that the facebook writer did. Thus my use of "he\she" since I didn't know who the facebook writer is. I know in this day and age it's not right to assume someones gender, but if I was to use a pronoun referencing someone going by Mr. Wonder I would use just the "he".

3. My response was to Jimbo not you. He appeared to take offense at being called clueless saying "Clueless atheist buddies? As one of the clueless, I've not thought that most wars are fought over religion." I DID quote him in my response. The whole point of my post was that his being offended by the "clueless atheist" was silly.

So, in other-words, I was on YOUR side. So I'm not really sure what your beef with me is? Honestly, I would think Jimbo would be the one to be upset by anything I said.
my mistake.

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You're making a lot of opinions presented as fact. I don't see a word of backup.

The guy is the self proclaimed atheist you used as your source in the opening statement/chart.
Yep OK, Atran, is the Atheist making note of the research found in the Encyclopedia of Wars. That religion is not the cause of most wars. far from it.
I only used his quote to to point out the facts of the research. Not pointing him out as an "authority".
He's just referencing an authoritative study and honestly acknowledging the FALSE accusations and the truth of the reserch.
and in using his quote i'd hoped deflate any replies like. "...well he's/they are biased Christian so...."

I don't know Atran either, But he's apparently well known and respected in some atheist circles. But the info is NOT based on his "authority" as an atheist or anything else. it's based on the broad historical research.
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