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AUSTIN Christian cheerleaders in a small city in east Texas can continue to display Bible verses at football games, the state's highest court has decided, bringing them closer to the end of a years-long battle with their school district.

Since the lawsuit was filed six years ago, multiple courts have sided with the cheerleaders at Kountze ISD, ruling they have a First Amendment right to display religious messages at school events. On Friday, the Texas Supreme Court rejected a request by district officials to rethink those rulings, handing the cheerleaders yet another victory that could mark the end of this legal saga.

The case became a proxy battle in the war over where one person's religious rights end, and secular society begins. The cheerleaders have received widespread support from Christian groups and Texas' top Republicans, as well as legal support from the First Liberty Institute, a Plano-based nonprofit and breeding ground for conservative legal thinkers.
Of course they did cause conservatives are so religious.

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"As the football season kicks off across Texas, it's good to be reminded that these cheerleaders have a right to have religious speech on their run through banners banners on which the cheerleaders painted messages they chose, with paint they paid for, on paper they purchased," Hiram Sasser, First Liberty's general counsel and an attorney for the cheerleaders, said Friday. "School districts everywhere should learn an important lesson from this failed litigation.
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The lawsuit dates to 2012, when school officials told the cheerleaders they could not display Bible verses on their banners at school sporting events. The cheerleaders sued and the district ended up changing the policy, but school officials reserved the right to restrict what the banners said because they counted as government speech.
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A judge sided with the cheerleaders in 2013. But the appeals court soon after said their lawsuit was moot because of the school district's policy change. Eventually, the case went to the Texas Supreme Court and was remanded back to the appeals court, which sided with the cheerleaders in September 2017.
The school district again appealed to the Supreme Court last year, which decided Friday not to take up the case.

Tom Brandt, Kountze ISD's attorney, said he was disappointed with the decision but held out hope his clients may have a chance to appeal.

"We're not happy with this result, but I'm not willing to say that there's no possibility we can change this," Brandt told The Dallas Morning News. "I don't think the case is completely over."

Brandt pointed to a 2011 case in which a federal appeals court ruled a cheerleader in Silsbee, Texas, couldn't refuse to root for a basketball player she said raped her because she "served as a mouthpiece through which [the school district] could disseminate speech." The Silsbee cheerleader appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which declined to hear her case.

The disconnect between that federal case and this state case, Brandt said, could keep their lawsuit alive: "Those two cases are still in tension. They haven't been resolved."

The cheerleaders' attorney, however, said the Supreme Court's decision was the final word on the matter.

"After more than five years of litigation, our clients are relieved that the Texas Supreme Court has brought an end to the school district's scorched earth litigation tactics," Sasser said.

The case will now be sent back to a lower court judge, who will determine attorneys' fees.
Until a person or group of atheist or Buddhist persuasion sues the state.
The school district was smart here. eventually someone will sue and the school district can't be named since it did due diligence in the matter.
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Of course they did cause conservatives are so religious.



Until a person or group of atheist or Buddhist persuasion sues the state.
The school district was smart here. eventually someone will sue and the school district can't be named since it did due diligence in the matter.
I question why the School is still pursuing this case. Students do not cede their 1A rights just because they are at school. The only difference would be if they were causing a disturbance and disrupting the school by exercising their 1A rights, which in this case they are not. A student openly expressing their religious beliefs in no way supports the case that the state (school) is promoting one religion over another. There is no case here.
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I have a much much much bigger problem with this previous ruling...

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Brandt pointed to a 2011 case in which a federal appeals court ruled a cheerleader in Silsbee, Texas, couldn't refuse to root for a basketball player she said raped her because she "served as a mouthpiece through which [the school district] could disseminate speech." The Silsbee cheerleader appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which declined to hear her case.
than I do with cheerleaders quoting scripture.
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than I do with cheerleaders quoting scripture.
me too out of concern for safety in our schools. And I think they should have just let her sit it out.
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I question why the School is still pursuing this case. Students do not cede their 1A rights just because they are at school. The only difference would be if they were causing a disturbance and disrupting the school by exercising their 1A rights, which in this case they are not. A student openly expressing their religious beliefs in no way supports the case that the state (school) is promoting one religion over another. There is no case here.
I like that these kids want to proclaim Jesus' teachings. My concern is for the school districts who don't sue then when THEY are sued, losing money because it will (imho) ultimately be ruled they cannot do this.
Some family will sue in this instance, mark my words.
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And somehow I suspect that the school district would have no problem with a cheerleader wearing a burka or head covering.
And neither would those that are always so upset at the mere display of bible verses by Christian students in public schools.

But if a school ORDERS the students to wear/display burkas or Bible verses, at that point, yes, there's a legal problem.
But each student FREELY doing it is simply part of the religious freedom we teach about in school and claim to promote as a country.
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And somehow I suspect that the school district would have no problem with a cheerleader wearing a burka or head covering.
And neither would those that are always so upset at the mere display of bible verses by Christian students in public schools.

But if a school ORDERS the students to wear/display burkas or Bible verses, at that point, yes, there's a legal problem.
But each student FREELY doing it is simply part of the religious freedom we teach about in school and claim to promote as a country.
School districts are afraid of lawsuits because they usually have limited funds. The funding would have to come from country tax payers.
I'm not saying the way separation is handled (re schools) is perfect. I think they should allow and encourage all faiths. But this is the devil's earth till the return.
And as is often said, 'the devil's in the details.'
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School districts are afraid of lawsuits because they usually have limited funds. The funding would have to come from country tax payers.
I'm not saying the way separation is handled (re schools) is perfect. I think they should allow and encourage all faiths. But this is the devil's earth till the return.
And as is often said, 'the devil's in the details.'
Do we bow to the devil here or educate those that sue?
the bigger devil is losing our freedoms by bowing to the unconstitutional rules and complaints because of fears of law suits. Giving up personal freedoms for NOTHING.
Seem a monetary solution is having a group of city lawyers on staff PLUS contact with the many private civil/religious liberties law groups nationally that are are eager to defend (ProBono if need be) religious liberty issues in schools and elsewhere. Many of these cases cases have been won over the years, going all the way up to the supreme court level. Defended primarily with private law groups funded by national and religious donations.

the real question for school districts is whether or not they really believe religious freedom for ALL students is worth fighting for. Or if they'd rather just allow students rights to be stolen to save a bit of hassle.

But frankly I think some of these school officials don't want to see religious ( Christian) displays at ALL in schools. So they'd fight against the students as well.

Surprisingly the NEA has produced a decent set of legal guidelines.
https://www.nea.org/assets/docs/1922...hools3-BGH.pdf
IMO something all school officials and complaining parents should read before they start telling students what they CAN'T say or do religiously.
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I question why the School is still pursuing this case. Students do not cede their 1A rights just because they are at school. The only difference would be if they were causing a disturbance and disrupting the school by exercising their 1A rights, which in this case they are not. A student openly expressing their religious beliefs in no way supports the case that the state (school) is promoting one religion over another. There is no case here.
Unless the same school allows the same rights to the Muslims, atheists, Wiccans, and anybody else who decides their religious beliefs are being bypassed, the school is choosing one religion over another.

The best answer is to keep religion out of schools. All religion. There are plenty of other places to exercise your rights.
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The best answer is to keep religion out of schools. All religion. There are plenty of other places to exercise your rights.
Funny, i thought all of America is suppose to be a place to exercise your rights.
(some people would have Christian people ONLY express faith in Church. And then not allow churches in their neighborhoods)

school is not prison, or the military or a private business that might require some restrictions on religious expressions.
It's PUBLIC school. Americans are free to exercise their faith in Public. And any restrictions the gov't, subject to the free people, must have extreme reasons(excuses) to apply them.

gov't or some people's inconvenience and mild annoyance don't really count when it comes to constitutional rights.

the best answer is for American people to live free and protect those freedoms in as many places a possible. And ignore and tolerate modest religious expressions that you don't agree with.
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