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I am a Christian.

Yet I find some views held by my fellow Christians to be especially objectionable.

These include, especially, the following:

(1) That the minister is (somehow) holier--i.e. closer to God--than the typical congregant is.

(2) That the minister may act as a sort of intermediary between the congregant and God.

(3) Anything that pits the rational against the supra-rational (which is to say, the irrational).

And (4) Anything that requires magical thinking (which, by the way, is a logical fallacy).

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I agree and the ministers I seek out the most are the humble ones.
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I am a Christian.

Yet I find some views held by my fellow Christians to be especially objectionable.

These include, especially, the following:

(1) That the minister is (somehow) holier--i.e. closer to God--than the typical congregant is.

(2) That the minister may act as a sort of intermediary between the congregant and God.

(3) Anything that pits the rational against the supra-rational (which is to say, the irrational).

And (4) Anything that requires magical thinking (which, by the way, is a logical fallacy).

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I'm not clear how you would discuss religion without invoking magical thinking.
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I'm not clear how you would discuss religion without invoking magical thinking.
Would you elaborate, please?

Note: For the record, I am thoroughly a child of the Enlightenment. (True, there was much disagreement here: Hobbes was hardly the same as Hegel; and Locke was not at all similar to Rousseau, for instance--but Enlightenment-type thinking is certainly what I deeply respect.)
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Would you elaborate, please?

Note: For the record, I am thoroughly a child of the Enlightenment. (True, there was much disagreement here: Hobbes was hardly the same as Hegel; and Locke was not at all similar to Rousseau, for instance--but Enlightenment-type thinking is certainly what I deeply respect.)
Water covering the earth higher than the mountains. Kids being conceived with conception. People dying and coming back to life.

Just three examples. There are many, many more.
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Water covering the earth higher than the mountains.
archaeological evidence of flood of the populated world plus reports in texts other than the bible

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Kids being conceived with conception.
did you mean wo copulation?
artificial insemination

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People dying and coming back to life.
medical advancements have seen that happen
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(1) That the minister is (somehow) holier--i.e. closer to God--than the typical congregant is.
I believe the "Church" works very much the same as the US judicial system...Perfect...

...until you involve humans...
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Water covering the earth higher than the mountains.
If you are referring (presumably) to the Noachian Flood, I have my doubts that Noah was a real, historical human being. (The same may be said of Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel; though I am rather uncertain as concerning some others.)

I am not a fundamentalist; so I do not need to toe the line as concerning the fundamentalist version of Christianity.

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Kids being conceived with conception.
In the first century, virginity--especially among women--was considered a virtue. Even if a woman was married, to give birth without having had sex would have been considered especially virtuous.

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People dying and coming back to life.
I would think that the same God created the laws of the universe could also suspend them, if He so desired.
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I would think that the same God created the laws of the universe could also suspend them, if He so desired.
I disagree, but that's my opinion. Who really knows?
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