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My former pastor (and please do not read anything into this; we are just attending a much closer church now) once said that he does not believe in any religion.

By this, I assume that he means that he does not consider Christianity to be a religion, but an objective truth.

On this, I am with him.

(My favorite apostle has always been Thomas--"Doubting" Thomas--as I will simply not take anything on blind faith. No exceptions.)

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My former pastor (and please do not read anything into this; we are just attending a much closer church now) once said that he does not believe in any religion.

By this, I assume that he means that he does not consider Christianity to be a religion, but an objective truth.

On this, I am with him.

(My favorite apostle has always been Thomas--"Doubting" Thomas--as I will simply not take anything on blind faith. No exceptions.)

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Christianity is most definitely a religion. And if there is an objective truth in it somewhere, I missed it.

But one has to wonder why if you do not take anything on blind faith you are a religious person?
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Anybody who thinks Christianity is an "objective truth" either doesn't know the meaning of those words or doesn't care...
Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met without biases caused by feelings, ideas, opinions, etc., of a sentient subject. A second, broader meaning of the term refers to the ability in any context to judge fairly, without partiality or external influence. This second meaning of objectivity is sometimes used synonymously with neutrality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)

It's a slight annoyance for me when some Christians forget that their religion is a belief.
Forget what "belief" means and start assuming that it's simply fact.

Christianity would be a subjective truth for the believers. Not an "objective" one.
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Christianity is most definitely a religion. And if there is an objective truth in it somewhere, I missed it.

But one has to wonder why if you do not take anything on blind faith you are a religious person?
Simple: Because I think the New Testament is objectively true. (Basically, there are just two forms of verification--of anything: the rational and the empirical.)

One thing that convinces me (and, I would think, would convince anyone else who seriously considers it): How else was the stone removed from Jesus' tomb? (The only alternative to supernatural strength, that I can think of, would be multiple people removing it, together. This would require a conspiracy. And I am just not into conspiracy theories.)
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Simple: Because I think the New Testament is objectively true. (Basically, there are just two forms of verification--of anything: the rational and the empirical.)

One thing that convinces me (and, I would think, would convince anyone else who seriously considers it): How else was the stone removed from Jesus' tomb? (The only alternative to supernatural strength, that I can think of, would be multiple people removing it, together. This would require a conspiracy. And I am just not into conspiracy theories.)
The stone was removed the same way it got there. Either by a bunch of big strong men pushing it there, or it is purely a non objective recounting of someone repeating something he thinks he may have seen or heard. A myth in other words.
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My Christianity is a RELIGION. I don't see why anyone would find a need to claim theirs is otherwise. I'm happy it's a religion.
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It's a slight annoyance for me when some Christians forget that their religion is a belief.
Forget what "belief" means and start assuming that it's simply fact.

Christianity would be a subjective truth for the believers. Not an "objective" one.
What if they came to their conclusions by observation and experience?
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Christianity is neither a religion or an objective truth. It is a faith. Being a baptist or a methodist would be religious.
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I think that Jesus lived. I think the majority of the bible are a reincarnation of fairy tales that have been repeated long before Jesus. Jesus certainly inspired people and there has grown a cult following. Funny though that as most as these followers claim Jesus almost none follow his teachings in their own lives and they use his death as cover for this sin. There are many stories that predate Jesus of Gods born to virgins (Never understand the need for all of these woman to be virgins). Most of them did miracles, cured the sick, raised themselves from the dead. Horus for example

"Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days."

And there are many others

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What if they came to their conclusions by observation and experience?
A person can observe / experience wind and recognize objective truths like air pressure and wind velocity.
To claim that god sent that wind would be a subjective truth.

"Belief" in a "religion" would be a subjective truth.
"observation and experience" can be objective or subjective.
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