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"If Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, why are so many Muslims leaving their faith? Some believe the collapse of Islam is on the horizon."

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali made the case that Christianity is different from Islam.



Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and the Jesus Movement | The Weekly Standard

“My observation is yes, Christianity is different from Islam…The worst thing that a Christian has ever said to me, the rudest thing that a Christian has ever said to me, the thing that made me most uncomfortable that a Christian said to me was ‘I’m going to pray for you. I hope you will be safe. I hope you will be redeemed.’ But within my own family and my own community, when I say I’m in doubt about the Koran and Muhammad and life after death and all that, it is ‘well, you are to die.’ So I just want to point out the differences between the religions…What makes me angry is the moral equivalence.”
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali made the case that Christianity is different from Islam.
I'm pretty sure Christianity would be looked upon as a monkey cult if it were loaded with fantatical, bloodthirsty, terrorist cowards like ISIS, and millions of Christians stuck their thumbs up their asses instead of actively fighting them.
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Yes, It is.
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No but Christianity has been.
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No but Christianity has been.
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Islam is my life, my love and my lady. Or something like that.<--how to pray to the moon god
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...A new study says that Islam will pass Christianity as the world’s largest religion by 2070.
The report says that in 2050, Muslims will make up 10% of the European population. But they will number only 2.1% in the United States.
Interestingly, the study also says that the number of atheists and non-religious affiliated will decline globally.
This may very well be, but, like many statistical studies, it is mainly just an extrapolation of current numbers over time. Muslims have a higher birth rate than Christians do, so if we graph that out, their numbers will be higher by 2070.
Other scenarios are not factored in. For example, what if some of the 10% of the European population that has an Islamic heritage convert to Christianity, now that they can be exposed to it? That may depend on Christianity reviving in Europe, but that is not outside the possibility of the grace of God. Or what if the brutality of ISIS and the Islamic terrorism that is rampant in the Middle East creates a reaction against the religion? Or what if the Westernization of Islamic countries creates a decline in the birth rate? Or what if the Christian birth rate shoots up?
Lots of things can happen, there being many more variables and unpredictabilities in life than a single statistical trend....

I have to ask how many muslims are muslims in name only out of FEAR, and social pressure.
I've met Muslims that are practical atheist/agnostics when they talk to me but when around their faithful muslim "brothers" can talk the muslim talk as if it's 2nd nature.

Predicting the future is no easy thing.
but it seems to me Islam's "growth" is not a guarantee.
the number of children of those that are truly faithful is the best hope it has.

One things for sure God is not going to let islam grow any farther than his will.
And he's not a promoter of false prophets.
It's been limited to the M.E. mostly for the past thousand years for a reason.
And now the world has gotten a better look at it, and it's not a pretty or inviting picture.
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Another interesting article from a few years back.

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"..Fertility, Faith, and the Decline of Islam: Strategic Implications
BY DAVID P. GOLDMAN FEBRUARY 11, 2013 CHAT 1 COMMENTS
The liberal establishment has finally taken note of the elephant in the Muslim parlor, namely the closing of the Muslim womb. A year after the American Enterprise Institute's Nicholas Eberstadt reported the precipitous fall in Muslim fertility in a widely commented paper, and seven years after I reported the trend and its strategic implications at Asia Times, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius reports wide-eyed on Eberstadt's findings:

The Arab world may be experiencing a youth bulge now, fueling popular uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere. But as Eberstadt notes, what’s ahead over the next generation will probably be declines in the number of working-age adults and rapidly aging populations. The Arab countries are now struggling with what Eberstadt calls their “youthquake.” But the coming dilemma, he notes, is “how these societies will meet the needs of their graying populations on relatively low income levels.”
Why does Ignatius suddenly find this important? Perhaps the frustration of the establishment's hopes for the Arab world in the form of state failure in Syria and Egypt and Libya (and perhaps also Tunisia) has provoked an interest in deeper causes. Both the liberal establishment as well as the Republican mainstream embraced the Arab Spring, but now recoil in horror from the consequences.

The evidence has been there for years in the United Nations database. In September 2006 I warned that the Muslim world was heading towards a demographic catastrophe.

By 2050, elderly dependents will comprise nearly a third of the population of some Muslim nations, notably Iran -- converging on America's dependency ratio at mid-century. But it is one thing to face such a problem with America's per capita gross domestic product (GDP) of $40,000, and quite another to face it with Iran's per capita GDP of $7,000 -- especially given that Iran will stop exporting oil before the population crisis hits. The industrial nations face the prospective failure of their pension systems. But what will happen to countries that have no pension system, where traditional society assumes the care of the aged and infirm? In these cases it is traditional society that will break down, horribly and irretrievably so.
My 2011 book How Civilizations Die (and Why Islam is Dying, Too) assembled evidence that the decline of Islam as a religion explained collapsing fertility, just as the decline of Catholicism explained collapsing fertility in lands once blessed by large families -- Spain, Italy, Poland, Ireland, and Quebec. Iran's total fertility rate plunged to an estimated 1.6% in 2010, barely above Europe's rate of 1.5 children per female. In 1979, when the Islamists took power in Iran, the average woman bore seven children. Nothing like this sudden snapping shut of the national womb has ever happened before in all of history. And the rest of the Muslim world is headed in the same direction.

“Something really big is under way -- and practically no one has noticed it, even in the Arab world,” Ignatius quotes an e-mail from Eberstadt, one of the best conservative economists working today. But I don't think it is quite accurate to say that "practically no one has noticed it." On the contrary, Islamist leaders like Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Turkey's Recep Tayyip Erdogan have been shouting from the rooftops about the trend for the past five years, as my book reports. Excluding the independence-hungry Kurdish minority, Turkey's fertility rate is probably around 1.5 children per female, about the same as Iran's, and a guarantee of national decline.

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/2/...-implications/
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