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Old 08-02-2014, 01:29 PM
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I absolutely agree that this is true but that hatred is not based upon "religion" but instead is based upon a response to the tyranny of the "Zionists" (Zionism is a political ideology of tyranny masked behind a religion) that control Israel.

That is simply incorrect. Islamic "true believers" have been trying to conquer, convert, or kill anyone who isn't them for 14 centuries! The fact that the most hated infidels, the Jews - the ones who 1400 years ago rejected Mohamed and his constantly-changing "Allah says" dialog - have their own country has them foaming at the mouth.


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I would agree with this as well. It isn't the "religion" that is the problem but instead it's a political/legal system that masks itself behind a religion. In short it's the "politicians" that mask their nefarious actions by selectively pulling "arguments" out of context from the religious texts.

For you and everyone else who uses the "out of context" excuse: READ THE DAMNED QU'RAN! Get someone who understands abrogation to explain why all those "peaceful" Surahs have no validity, and can show you the non-peaceful ones that replace them. When the Imams, mullahs, and politicos in charge do what you deem nefarious, they are doing it "by the book"; nothing is being taken out of context or read incorrectly. You will never understand this enemy until you understand that simple fact.
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Most of the Hamas militias are fighting because they hate; it has nothing to do with any Israeli attack on Gaza. To believe otherwise is to ignore reality.[/SIZE][/FONT]
Most of Palestinians are orphans, lost their families or refugees in UNRWA schools.
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Most of Palestinians are orphans, lost their families or refugees in UNRWA schools.
Yeah, most MS-13 gang members come from broken homes too. That's not an excuse…..
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ISIS Create A Literal River Of Human Blood By Butchering 1500 Innocent People

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=PDe5dfxzBHg
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Most of Palestinians are orphans, lost their families or refugees in UNRWA schools.
Exactly and this is why they are so blood thursty and violent. Easy to teach hate to these kids with no familys to question the "teacher", just hate because some one on the other side killed their families..

Yes these are the most dangerous people of all...

Since there is no easy way to sort out the peacefull 80% from the radical, violent 20%, I think you have to consider them all dangerous. The 80% must expect to be treated as radicals. I see no other way..

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Old 08-03-2014, 10:49 AM
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That is simply incorrect. Islamic "true believers" have been trying to conquer, convert, or kill anyone who isn't them for 14 centuries!
Don't forget that Christians also engaged in this identical practice (e.g. the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition).
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Don't forget that Christians also engaged in this identical practice (e.g. the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition).
Well, has this Christian bad thing been going on for 14 centuries?
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Well, has this Christian bad thing been going on for 14 centuries?
Literally no. It's been going on for 20 Centuries. Even the expansion of America to take away the lands from the Native-Americans was based upon Protestant religious teachings and we still have oppression here in the United States based upon Christian religious teachings with many Christians advocating the same thing they did during the expansion of America during the 19th Century where the motto was "The only good Indian is a Dead Indian" but today their motto is "The only good Muslim is a Dead Muslim."

The rhetoric of hatred that results in tyranny has always been a component of religion regardless of whether it was Muslims or Christians or any other major religion. That is the simply point I make.
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ISIS Create A Literal River Of Human Blood By Butchering 1500 Innocent People

This video is not child or work safe…..

Do not watch this if you are weak at heart, it's reality …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=PDe5dfxzBHg
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A note to those concerned regarding Western opinion

Some Muslims are concerned that I.S. actions send the wrong message about Islam to the Western audience. In this, they are correct. However, it is wrong for Muslims to permit the West to have a higher moral ground, or judgment upon I.S. or Muslims. The simple reason is if I.S. do create a state using terrorism and brutal actions – it wouldn’t be any different to how many Western nations were formed and rose to power.

France arose out of a bloody reign of terror (from which the word ‘terrorism’ was first created – i.e. ruling by terror), forget I.S’s publication of gruesome execution images, ‘enlightenment’ france invented the guillotine for public and frequent execution.

The U.S.A arose from the actions of what would certainly be called terrorism and insurgency against the British empire – they even destroyed and wiped out entire pro-British civilian towns (in now modern day Canada), not to mention they bloody genocide against the native Americans. To this day, U.S.A has anti-cuba terror training camps in Florida, where they harbour Luis Posada Carriles, who blew up a cuba civilian plane. The U.S. has refused to extradite him to South American governments who want him on terrorism charges.

Britain had a number of bloody civil wars, but the true horror of the activities they undertook to raise their state into an international empire are too numerous to be written in this piece. Suffice to say, Winston Churchill was voted in a poll as the ‘best briton of all time’, despite inventing the idea of ‘strategic bombing’ (mass bombing of civilian cities – yes, he and not Hitler did it first!), and he advocated that civilians be bombed to ‘spread a lively terror’ – what do you call someone who bombs civilians to spread terror amongst them? (answers on a postcard).

The Israeli government was infamously fought for and formed by confirmed terrorist groups the Haganah and the Stern gang, who pioneered terror bombings against civilians targets like hotels and cruise ships.

Even the innocuous ANC in South Africa who fought against racist apartheid South African government used terror tactics of blowing up shopping malls, restaurants and cafes with civilians, to make their point. They even fought and killed rival groups in ways not too dissimilar to I.S. Yet all these groups, individuals and causes are praised, and (minus the ugly facts of course) commemorated. It is argued that although modern Westerners may condemn these actions, they are explained away as either ‘the result of a terrible time’, or ‘unfortunate, but necessary at the time’.

The only argument any Western media pundit, politician or Western-learning Muslim, who hold any praise for the individuals or groups who did ‘what was necessary’ could ever say against I.S. is that I.S. are fighting for the wrong cause (which is portrayed as ‘Islam’). Of course, it always has been the case in Western history and foreign policy, that as long as a group fights for ‘freedom’, little regard is paid to the tactics. Our response is, I.S. are no different to Western armies, Western covert-backed groups and even some of the ‘founding fathers’ of Western nations – therefore they certainly have no basis to judge I.S. – I.S’s crime is being actually being a good student of the West, right down to their corporate structure and organisation and ability to use social media!

The Muslim response to Western media regarding I.S. is that Islam considers that both the cause and the tactics must be correct, and Islam unreservedly condemns terrorism and the targeting of civilians. However, we should also explain to them that I.S. are the product of a reaction to Western foreign policy in the region that arose out of the actions of the U.S, UK and their puppets in the region.

If the Muslim world is left alone, this will give Muslims the peace, space and time to unify and intellectually evolve into a refined civilisation that future generations can live in. Muslims do not want any ‘intervention’ from the outside powers which caused all these problems in the first place. The continuing use of violence, intimidation and persecution by Western powers (and their puppets) to prevent the cause of Muslim independence and self-directed political destiny, has produced the kind of extreme reactions we currently witness in the Muslim world.

To read more about the background of ISIS and the situation of Iraq after the fall of Mosul, read my piece ‘ISIS: Storm or Pawn?’
Has the Caliphate been re-established by ISIS? Abdullah al Andalusi

It's also funny how muslims are talking about ISIS being made by mosad or cia !
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ISIS Create A Literal River Of Human Blood By Butchering 1500 Innocent People

This video is not child or work safe…..

Do not watch this if you are weak at heart, it's reality …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=PDe5dfxzBHg
I watched the version with sound (the link is on the top left at the end of the above video). Good thing a certain couple of members of this forum aren't here to defend these bastards by saying Islam is not threat to the world and it is peaceful.
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