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Old 03-04-2014, 06:57 PM
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Neighbors accuse church of too much joyful noise

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"Is this a church?" Sidonie Smith said as she stood outside Grant Elementary in Santa Monica. "I'm so excited about the impact it will have on our community. I've been praying for a church to come here for 40 years."

Not all residents share Smith's enthusiasm. Since late January, some neighbors have expressed dissatisfaction with the arrangement between City of God church and its landlord, the Santa Monica-Malibu Unified School District.

Six district campuses allow larger churches to rent space when schools aren't in session. A state law allows various organizations to meet at schools. Churches, without a suitable home, can worship on a "one-time or renewable basis..." defined as temporary, according to the law
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Azin Ehsan, who moved to the area in 2001, complained that the church service at Grant is noisy, has too many signs and banners and brings more cars to the neighborhood.

"I don't want anything happening here on Sundays," said Ehsan, a mother of three. "We have so much noise during the week, we just want it to be quiet. They should find a better venue."


The complaints have blindsided the Rev. Casey Bombacie, leader of the church.

Bombacie, a Seattle native, moved to Los Angeles last year to start the church. School district officials suggested Grant's auditorium because of the new church's small congregation.

The church pays about $1,067 a week to rent the auditorium, a classroom for a children's service and for district staff who must also be on campus, according to Carey Upton, the district's director of facility use.

Bombacie said that while the church is at Grant, the plan is to invest in the school with new chairs, repaint the auditorium and garden on the school's grounds.

Despite good intentions, Ehsan and other neighbors, including Alex Cardenas and Judy Cohen, aren't sold. Ehsan said the church's rental fee doesn't outweigh the environmental impact.

Cardenas said he can hear the worship service from his home, two houses away. He worries that if the church grows, it will bring even more congestion to the neighborhood, which already has traffic during the week from the elementary school and Santa Monica College, a few blocks west.

"When I moved into the neighborhood, I knew what I was getting into. We didn't buy into the fact that it would be a church on Sundays," Cardenas said. "The school district seems to think this isn't an issue."

Three of them, including Cardenas, met last month with Upton, district Supt. Sandra Lyon and Grant's Principal Shirley Compton to express their concerns.

City of God hasn't broken any rules outlined in its agreement with the district, Upton said. Bombacie said neighbors haven't spoken to him about their concerns, but he is working with Upton to accommodate them.
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Now Hear This: Loud Sound May Pose More Harm Than We Thought
March 14, 2017 — Matt Garlock has trouble making out what his friends say in loud bars, but when he got a hearing test, the result was normal. Recent research may have found an explanation for problems like his, something called "hidden hearing loss."
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Scientists have been finding evidence that loud noise - from rock concerts, leaf blowers, power tools and the like - damages our hearing in a previously unsuspected way. It may not be immediately noticeable, and it does not show up in standard hearing tests. But over time, Harvard researcher M. Charles Liberman says, it can rob our ability to understand conversation in a noisy setting. It may also help explain why people have more trouble doing that as they age. And it may lead to persistent ringing in the ears. The bottom line: "Noise is more dangerous than we thought."

His work has been done almost exclusively in animals. Nobody knows how much it explains hearing loss in people or how widespread it may be in the population. But he and others are already working on potential treatments. To understand Liberman's research, it helps to know just how we hear. When sound enters our ears, it's picked up by so-called hair cells. They convert sound waves to signals that are carried by nerves to the brain. People can lose hair cells for a number of reasons - from loud noise or some drugs, or simple aging - and our hearing degrades as those sensors are lost. That loss is what is picked up by a standard test called an audiogram that measures how soft a noise we can hear in a quiet environment.

Liberman's work suggests that there's another kind of damage that doesn't kill off hair cells, but which leads to experiences like Garlock's. A 29-year-old systems engineer who lives near Boston, Garlock is a veteran of rock concerts. "You come home and you get that ringing in your ears that lasts for a few days and then it goes away," he said. But after he went to Las Vegas for a friend's birthday, and visited a couple of dance clubs, it didn't go away. So he had the audiogram done, in 2015, and his score was normal. Last fall, he came across a news story about a study co-authored by Liberman. It was a follow-up to Libermans' earlier work that suggests loud noise damages the delicate connections between hair cells and the nerves that carry the hearing signal to the brain.

The news story said this can cause not only persistent ringing in the ears, but also a lingering difficulty in understanding conversations in background noise. After the Vegas trip, Garlock sensed he had that problem himself. "I notice myself leaning in and asking people to repeat themselves, but I don't notice anybody else doing that," he said. Garlock emailed one of Liberman's colleagues and volunteered for any follow-up studies. It's hard to be sure that Garlock's situation can be explained by the research. But the seeming contradiction of hearing problems in people with perfect hearing tests has puzzled experts for years, says Robert Fifer of the University of Miami's Mailman Center for Child Development. He's seen it in Air Force personnel who worked around airplanes and in a few music-blasting adolescents.

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If the noise occurs between, say the hours of 11 pm and 7 am, which I believe are the times we adhere to here (before environmental health can be called out to persuade people to turn the noise down), then yes, it is a nuisance and would be reported here.

I would rather have too much noise from a place of worship than noise of rowdiness in the context of violence, gangs or similar.
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I get the impression that the objection has little to do with noise and traffic. The auditorium only seats 165 and their regular attendance is less than half that for a Sunday service. The impact seems minimal. The contract renewal date is June 29 and so a clear a message of "you're not welcome" has been sent by some of the neighbors, but some in the neighborhood are attending the service. I hope they renew and build a permanent Church in the neighborhood.
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If they were having a loud left-wing rally there of some sort on Sundays, these fuddy-duds would probably be in full support.
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I get the impression that the objection has little to do with noise and traffic. The auditorium only seats 165 and their regular attendance is less than half that for a Sunday service. The impact seems minimal. The contract renewal date is June 29 and so a clear a message of "you're not welcome" has been sent by some of the neighbors, but some in the neighborhood are attending the service.
I read the article and immediately wondered if a Home Owner's Association was involved.
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Some people have ridiculous standards they want to impose upon their neighbors. And it has more to do with the people (with ridiculous standards) being pricks.
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