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Old 09-23-2013, 10:55 PM
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A while back when I saw this posted on Facebook, people were responding saying the picture really WAS of a homeless man.
It might have been.....


And that's fine regardless....


The message was the lesson and those who got it understand.....
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This is exactly what I think when I hear the "Christian" right talking about the kids at the border.
Their dirty" "They have diseases" That sort of thing. It makes you wonder what they think it means to be Christian. I'm not religious but I was raised in the church. My grandfather studied at Moody bible institute and my grandmother played the piano in the Nazarene chiurch and ran the local Salvation army store for decades. I may not be religious but I do know what is expected of Christians and those who claim the identity and those who live the faith are two different groups if you ask me.


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Pastor Jeremiah Steepek transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning.

He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service, only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him.

He asked people for change to buy food – no one in the church gave him change.

He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit in the back.

He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.

As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such.

When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation.

“We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek.” The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.

The homeless man sitting in the back stood up and started walking down the aisle. The clapping stopped with all eyes on him.

He walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment then he recited,

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

‘The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning. Many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.

He then said, “Today I see a gathering of people, not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples. When will YOU decide to become disciples?”

He then dismissed service until next week.

Following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ should be more than just talk. It ought to be a lifestyle that others around you can love about you and share in.

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Very moving........
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As I plowed thru some of the old threads, this one caught my eye. I hope I'm not breaking some unwritten protocol by trying to breathe some life into this one.
Can this story be educational even if it never did happen?

Any seasoned pastor would already know how difficult it can be to deal with down-and-out people. Each case is unique, best dealt with in privacy in a 1-on-1 setting. Only a novice would think that forcing church members to confront a down-and-outer might be a good idea. Therefore, this was a fabricated story.
10,000 member churches don't invite novices for interviews.
I'm not sure I understand why someone might think this is a good lesson, even if it never happened. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
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Really? You don't get it? Why have churches at all then? Too many people there.
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As I plowed thru some of the old threads, this one caught my eye. I hope I'm not breaking some unwritten protocol by trying to breathe some life into this one.
Can this story be educational even if it never did happen?

Any seasoned pastor would already know how difficult it can be to deal with down-and-out people. Each case is unique, best dealt with in privacy in a 1-on-1 setting. Only a novice would think that forcing church members to confront a down-and-outer might be a good idea. Therefore, this was a fabricated story.
10,000 member churches don't invite novices for interviews.
I'm not sure I understand why someone might think this is a good lesson, even if it never happened. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
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It sounds like we are getting off topic but this is about a year old thread.

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This is exactly what I think when I hear the "Christian" right talking about the kids at the border.
Their dirty" "They have diseases" That sort of thing. It makes you wonder what they think it means to be Christian. I'm not religious but I was raised in the church. My grandfather studied at Moody bible institute and my grandmother played the piano in the Nazarene chiurch and ran the local Salvation army store for decades. I may not be religious but I do know what is expected of Christians and those who claim the identity and those who live the faith are two different groups if you ask me.
Mikeyy then it sounds like you disagree with this statement?

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children who do not have proper claims, at some point will be subject to repatriation to their home countries. I say that not because we lack compassion, but because in addition to being a nation of immigrants we’re also a nation of laws. And if you have a disorderly and dangerous process of migration, that not only puts the children themselves at risk, but it also calls to question the legal immigration process of those who are properly applying and trying to enter into our country.
I happen to agree with it myself and that statement was made by president Barack Obama
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As I plowed thru some of the old threads, this one caught my eye. I hope I'm not breaking some unwritten protocol by trying to breathe some life into this one.
Can this story be educational even if it never did happen?

Any seasoned pastor would already know how difficult it can be to deal with down-and-out people. Each case is unique, best dealt with in privacy in a 1-on-1 setting. Only a novice would think that forcing church members to confront a down-and-outer might be a good idea. Therefore, this was a fabricated story.
10,000 member churches don't invite novices for interviews.
I'm not sure I understand why someone might think this is a good lesson, even if it never happened. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
I would argue that there is a good chunk of Jesus's words which are explicitly telling his followers to "deal with down-and-out people".
Those who "deal with" such people are sheep.
Those who refuse to acknowledge them or deal with them indifferently are goats.
Matthew 25:
33 The Son of Man will put people who are like the sheep at his right side. He will put people who are like the goats at his left side.

34 Then the King will say to those who are at his right side, "Come! My Father has blessed you. The kingdom was made ready for you when the world was first made. Come into it now.

35 I was hungry. You gave me food. I was thirsty. You gave me a drink. I was a stranger. You took me in.

36 I needed clothes. You gave me clothes. I was sick. You came to visit me. I was in prison. You came to see me."

37 `Then the good people will ask him, "Lord when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you a drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and take you in? When did we see you needing clothes and give you clothes?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and come to see you?"

40 `The King will answer them, "I tell you the truth. What you did for even the smallest of these people you did for me. They are my brothers."

41 `Then he will say to those at the left side "Go away from me. You are cursed. Go into the fire that burns for ever. That fire has been made ready for the devil and his angels.

42 I was hungry. You did not give me food. I was thirsty. You did not give me a drink.

43 I was a stranger. You did not take me in. I needed clothes. You did not give me any clothes. I was sick and in prison. You did not come to see me."

44 `Then they will also ask, "Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or needing clothes, or sick, or in prison, and did not help you?"

45 `Then the King will answer them, "I tell you the truth. What you did not do for even the smallest of these, you did not do for me."

46 And they will go away to be punished for ever. But the good people will go away to live for ever.'
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I would argue that there is a good chunk of Jesus's words which are explicitly telling his followers to "deal with down-and-out people".
No dispute there. The NT provides lots of guidance.
The problem I've got is that this is a fabricated example - a hypothetical case.
It's a bad hypothetical for the reason I mentioned in my post. No big church will hire a beginner to take the reigns of a 10,000 member church. This would be like the US Navy asking an Ensign who just graduated from the Naval Academy to take over as Captain of a battleship. Won't happen - can't happen.

Is there any value at all in discussing a hypothetical like this?
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Pastor Jeremiah Steepek transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning.

He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service, only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him.

He asked people for change to buy food – no one in the church gave him change.

He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit in the back.

He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.

As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such.

When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation.

“We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek.” The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.

The homeless man sitting in the back stood up and started walking down the aisle. The clapping stopped with all eyes on him.

He walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment then he recited,

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

‘The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning. Many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.

He then said, “Today I see a gathering of people, not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples. When will YOU decide to become disciples?”

He then dismissed service until next week.

Following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ should be more than just talk. It ought to be a lifestyle that others around you can love about you and share in.

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Very moving........
I've been to churches that were like that. if a new person came who looked poor they never even greeted them; hes right thats not a church just a bunch of people imho.
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I've been to churches that were like that. if a new person came who looked poor they never even greeted them; hes right thats not a church just a bunch of people imho.
This is a very provocative story. Unfortunately, it is just that - a story.
If you'll review my posts, I think you'll see my rationale for saying that.
Now, having said that, it is likely true that some churches don't do well with strangers visiting them. That could make an interesting thread. But I do think it ought to be a different thread than this one.
Start a thread, or if you wish. I will.
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This is a very provocative story. Unfortunately, it is just that - a story.
Like the bible?
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