Well, hold the phone, you haven't seen a contentious topic here yet. There have been a few, but I really credit everyone here for being courteous even when you could tell something was really ticking them off.
I really do wish there were more conservatives here though. Ones who post links and discuss rationally. I can't remember the guy's handle on another forum, but I used to love to see him and some with different views go at it. It did get kind of thick sometimes, though. And you can't have one side getting their hand slapped and not the other if they were both out of line. And that did happen there, I seem to remember.
But I don't get to read all the threads cause I'm not interested in some others might think are the tip top topic of the day. So there may be more hard line debate than I am aware of.

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Hummm links, OK saltwn here are some I have in MY Favorites...

Science and the Bible: Science and the Bible

Bible Serach: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 50 versions and 35 languages.

On Line Bible Search: Bible Search - Olive Tree Bible Software

The Bible, King James Version: Etext Center: Collections

But my strength is in just blind faith in Christ. Keeping it simple as He did. Through out life I have learned the teachings of the Bible. Experience is good training
when looked back upon as many times as possible. But to understand one has to (IMO) understand Christ as much as possible. I try to treat others as I would my own family or self, except when forced to only pray for them and get along with life. Each life has value and needs. I come to understand that filling some of those needs is what Christ, wants us to do.

Since we are exchanging links, here's a good one for anyone interested in the bible in a format that won't wreck your system and it's free. It also has add ons like a prayer for today (and it pertains to modern stuff), dictionaries and commentaries from a lot of major theologians. And they even have a pocket version: e-Sword - the Sword of the LORD with an electronic edge

Thanks for your links. I will have to look up a lot of stuff when I get faster internet. I am currently awaiting my fearless leader's return so we can get some essential stuff done. Right now I can open three pages at a time without loosing my connection. I got so spoiled with the high speed. Cause I do a lot of stuff online. It is so much easier for me.

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Re-read the post as I was adding to it while you posted. And thanks for the link. I think I got it right. lol
Freely you received, freely give." (Matthew 10:8)
Jesus told us that since we've been blessed we should bless others.

Back to the chicken and the egg- where are all the scientific theories?
Come on--I know you're out there....

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If the logic that all creatures started as one-cell organisms is true, then the egg could not have existed until a chicken-like creature had enough cells to even create an egg...

So I'll go with "chicken"...

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What is so contentious about this question? (here's me, opening my big mouth). It's obvious Adam and Eve couldn't have a navel because God created them and they never had an umbilical cord, Unless God gave them a belly button as a birthmark so they wouldn't feel left out,

Very good point dga. I wonder if that ever came up in the debate Spencer had with others?

But cnredd makes the solid point salty.. And adding it to my theory of the writers not having any knowledge of before their time in the billions of years. But just trying to express what they were told or dreamed in their own words of the period. I think cnredd has it locked up. lol

But I shall do some searching to try to continue the thread.

From Science and Space in 2006. Seems they disagree with cnredd and some of us. I find their point a bit hard boiled. See the last line. lol
Chicken and egg debate unscrambled
Egg came first, 'eggsperts' agree

Friday, May 26, 2006; Posted: 7:33 a.m. EDT (11:33 GMT)

CNN.com - Chicken and*egg*debate unscrambled - May 26, 2006

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Which do you think came first?
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Egg

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Manage Alerts | What Is This? LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg.

Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.

Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg.

Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear.

The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said.

"Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first."

The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns.

Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens.

He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents.

"I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said.

"If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."

Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp.

He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs."

The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD.

How stuff works. It has some very good links.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Howstuffworks "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

This question appears regularly in the question file, so let's take a shot at it.

In nature, living things evolve through changes in their DNA. In an animal like a chicken, DNA from a male sperm cell and a female ovum meet and combine to form a zygote -- the first cell of a new baby chicken. This first cell divides innumerable times to form all of the cells of the complete animal. In any animal, every cell contains exactly the same DNA, and that DNA comes from the zygote.

Chickens evolved from non-chickens through small changes caused by the mixing of male and female DNA or by mutations to the DNA that produced the zygote. These changes and mutations only have an effect at the point where a new zygote is created. That is, two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. That one zygote cell divided to produce the first true chicken.

Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.

Here are some interesting links:

Does the chicken's body make the shell and fill it with the white and yolk somehow, or does it make the white and yolk and then somehow wrap the shell around it?

These are links at the site.
How can an egg carton claim that the contained eggs have less fat and more vitamin E?
Why do eggs turn hard when you boil them?
How Cells Work
How Evolution Works
How Gene Pools Work