To be fair I have to say Obama's particular church is more of the flamboyant evangelical kind that can always go off on a tangent for one cause or another.
I live in a very conservative part of the country (not that we don't have liberal thinkers, but they don't vote for some reason). I have attended churches where the minister has gotten too far into politics for my liking. Even had a few in Sunday School quote Rush Limbaugh. One preacher compared Clinton (pre Monica) to Nebuchadnezzar and said he needed to wander around in the desert blind for a few years. That's when I started going to a more traditional ritualistic place of worship. I don't want to hear that much politics with my religious service.
Evidently some don't mind. But I think there are hard liners on both sides of the isle. You will never convince either side of their unmitigated prejudice!

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Understanding the political realities of today's divisive political atmosphere is not only just "handy" it's "crucial" to success. Still..politicians have always been judged by their associations,releigious and social.What people are failing to see here is that Obama "cannot" afford to lose "any" support! Yes he "had" momentum but over time,we have become a little more "acquainted" with his past and the people he used and who also used him on his climb to center stage.Now it's showtime and some of us are a little concerned with his past and present performance.How much of that racist ant-American rhetoric did he listen to over "20 years" and was he just an innocent "observer" and not a supporter of what was said. Now we are getting ready for Act III and it had better be good!

Some will try to excuse it by saying.."It's liberation theology" what did you expect? Well I guess some of us just don't buy into liberation theology at the expense of others and as I have said..I have never approved of politics from the pulpit. The candidate either pulls the congregation down with him or the Minster pulls down the candidate with his political and racist rhetoric.It's just not smart and I expect my candidate to have a little more intelligence.Others may be far less demanding.

The more I get to know Obama the less I like him. No doubt he is a great speaker and his speeches have whipped a lot of people into a frenzy but the only known cure for Obama fever is to listen "closely" to what he says,especially his excuses.There is a reason why Obama's leed is slipping,people are beginning to know a little more about him.Hey..I want to "believe" like the rest of the people who "hope" for change.Obama has just too much working against him. He cannot afford to lose any of the support he has become comfortable with.He knows this far better than his supporters do!

Obama may well win the nomination but I doubt he has a chance in hell of winning the general. Hillary may indeed be right,he is not electable..unless..unless..he selects a running mate that can bridge the chasm his past and his rhetoric has created.He needs to make that decision NOW or at least within the next two weeks.He needs a running mate who's patriotism is without question and a running mate who has vast political experience and respect. If he waits too long,the political rudder will take too long to answer the helm and he will become a footnote in political history.

Time is "not" on Obama's side!

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Who do you think you might choose if you were him?

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One line or a part of a sentence lifted from a speech and spun into something else would be an act of taking something out of context. Quoting an entire dialogue without any editing is not.

Accountability is always a biatch, isn't it? The mere fact that he thinks accountability is unfair is part of the problem in my book, since he is obviously unwilling to accept any. Sure, he is only repeating the Ward Churchill type rap here, but why shouldn't he, or any other person face the responsibility for their words? Anybody have a god idea as to why some people should be eminently responsible, and others not responsible at all?

I'm not Spencer, but if I were him imagining myself as Obama -- oops, what's the correct grammar on that one? -- me imagining I am himself?

In any case, if I were Obama channelled through Spencer, I'd choose a rather well known fellow that goes by the name of Joe.


No, not THAT one -- he's already a part of the McCain cabinet. Thatother Joe.

You know.......Biden?

This story is too much. Evangelists across the country said 9-11 was gods wrath because of Americans sinning. You name em. They all said it or something along those lines. Its time to move on. Rev. Wright ain't running for anything as far as I know.

Isn't this a double standard though? Why should he be held accountable for whatever racist rhetoric he has been exposed to throughout the years, when the other candidates are not held under the same microscope because they are not minority (??) I am willing to step outside the "poltically correct" box here, and admit that if I see a black or latino man running at me, I immediately go into defensive mode. A white man running towards me illicits none of these conditioned and instinctive 'fears' - although he is probably the one I should fear most. We have all been conditioned by the media to fear 'the black man', and it is not held against us that our basic instincts go along with that, even though our conscious thought completely rejects it.

As far as associating Rev. Wright to his political career, while I don't believe he should be held personally accountable, it was certainly a poor career move in a politician, and was poor judgment IMO.

Just a thought...

Two names come to mind..Joe Biden and Colin Powell. Both men are respected and have many years of experience. The only problem with Colin Powell is that some would charge Obama of attempting a black coup d'état. ..

Time is "not" on Obama's side,a strong running mate would help him surge his momentum but he should act on this soon not later.

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Most scholars believe that silence lends consent. Either Obama is a saint who "suffered" through 20 years of Rev Wright's racist anti-white,anti-American rhetoric and only when it became "public" denounced Wright's words. Or..there is "something" more to it.For example,let's say Hillary is an old friend of David Duke,she attended his racist meetings for 20 years purely out of "friendship" and then when the media got hold of the story,she promptly denounced his rhetoric. For some people,the denouncement would be sufficiant,for others,there may be some "suspicion" that she may have agreed with some or most of the comments. Controversial figures can help a young candidate when they are first starting out but in the end,Wright may be right..the chickens have come home to roost.Mixing politics and religion may have short term rewards but in the end,it's risky business.Obama already has enough problems attaining POTUS,he cannot afford to lose Independents,the elderly,Catholics and Obamakins! Sure..he may well get the nomination but then what? I assure you..McCain will have his day in the media,for now,he is enjoying being out of the spotlight. Soon..the media will begin to focus on him and it won't be pretty.

This is politics,the profession they have chosen.

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Spencer say's Either Obama is a saint who "suffered" through 20 years of Rev Wright's racist anti-white,anti-American rhetoric and only when it became "public" denounced Wright's words. Or..there is "something" more to it.

There is a third option. Maybe Wright only said those things a couple of times. And like a crazy uncle goes off on some silly tangent. We roll our eyes and move on. Why do we want to judge a mans entire life through the prism of a 24 media video loop? I won't do it. After reading about Wrights real life I won't play this gotcha crap.