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A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a scrap of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a phrase never seen in any piece of Scripture: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife …'”

The faded papyrus fragment is smaller than a business card, with eight lines on one side, in black ink legible under a magnifying glass. Just below the line about Jesus having a wife, the papyrus includes a second provocative clause that purportedly says, “she will be able to be my disciple.”
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Very interesting. There is enough out there that point to Jesus having been married, (and no I'm not referring to the Da Vinci Code,) that I think the Vatican should open their archives so that a thorough study can be done. I have always believed that the Vatican has hidden many things that they do not want people to know.
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Jesus refers to the Church as His Bride on multiple occasions. My best guess is that this is a poor interpretation of that kind of reference. There's nothing in Scripture that points to Jesus having been married.
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Jesus refers to the Church as His Bride on multiple occasions. My best guess is that this is a poor interpretation of that kind of reference. There's nothing in Scripture that points to Jesus having been married.
You know as well as I do that what is in the Bible has been heavily edited over the centuries. Much has been left out, and then recently discovered gospels were found that were written by such people as Mary Magdeline and Judas. So even though the Scriptures do not mention Jesus has a wife doesn't necessarily mean he didn't.
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OK lets say for arguments sake Jesus was married, what difference does it make? Marriage is instituted by God so it's not a sin. Makes no difference to Jesus' ministry. Doesn't affect salvation, so what's the big deal.
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Doubts over Harvard claim of 'Jesus' Wife' papyrus

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Is a scrap of papyrus suggesting that Jesus had a wife authentic?

Scholars on Wednesday questioned the much-publicized discovery by a Harvard scholar that a 4th century fragment of papyrus provided the first evidence that some early Christians believed Jesus was married.

And experts in the illicit antiquities trade also wondered about the motive of the fragment's anonymous owner, noting that the document's value has likely increased amid the publicity of the still-unproven find.

Karen King, a professor of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School, announced the finding Tuesday at an international congress on Coptic studies in Rome. The text, written in Coptic and probably translated from a 2nd century Greek text, contains a dialogue in which Jesus refers to "my wife," whom he identifies as Mary.

King's paper, and the front-page attention it received in some U.S. newspapers that got advance word about it, was a hot topic of conversation Wednesday at the conference.

Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was unmarried, although there is no reliable historical evidence to support that, King said. Any evidence pointing to whether Jesus was married or had a female disciple could have ripple effects in current debates over the role of women in the church.

Stephen Emmel, a professor of Coptology at the University of Muenster who was on the international advisory panel that reviewed the 2006 discovery of the Gospel of Judas, said the text accurately quotes Jesus as saying "my wife." But he questioned whether the document was authentic.

"There's something about this fragment in its appearance and also in the grammar of the Coptic that strikes me as being not completely convincing somehow," he said in an interview on the sidelines of the conference.

Another participant at the congress, Alin Suciu, a papyrologist at the University of Hamburg, was more blunt.

"I would say it's a forgery. The script doesn't look authentic" when compared to other samples of Coptic papyrus script dated to the 4th century, he said.


King acknowledged Wednesday that questions remain about the fragment, and she welcomed the feedback from her colleagues. She said she planned to subject the document to ink tests to determine if the chemical components match those used in antiquity.

"We still have some work to do, testing the ink and so on and so forth, but what is exciting about this fragment is that it's the first case we have of Christians claiming that Jesus had a wife," she said.

She stressed that the text, assuming it's authentic, doesn't provide any historical evidence that Jesus was actually married, only that some two centuries after he died, some early Christians believed he had a wife.

Wolf-Peter Funk, a noted Coptic linguist, said there was no way to evaluate the significance of the fragment because it has no context. It's a partial text and tiny, measuring 4 centimeters by 8 centimeters (1.5 inches by 3 inches), about the size of a small cellphone.

"There are thousands of scraps of papyrus where you find crazy things," said Funk, co-director of a project editing the Nag Hammadi Coptic library at Laval University in Quebec. "It can be anything."

He, too, doubted the authenticity, saying the form of the fragment was "suspicious."
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OK lets say for arguments sake Jesus was married, what difference does it make? Marriage is instituted by God so it's not a sin. Makes no difference to Jesus' ministry. Doesn't affect salvation, so what's the big deal.
It's big deal because women are evil, especially our nipples. To imagine that this supposed 'holy prophet' may have actually - *gasp* - touched one is.... is... well, that just means the whole world is going to fall apart, the fires of hell are going to rise and consume us all and then meteors will rain down upon us while all of the worlds volcanoes erupt. I mean, good lord! Don't you GET IT?!!! Women -> Nipples -> Evil
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It's big deal because women are evil, especially our nipples. To imagine that this supposed 'holy prophet' may have actually - *gasp* - touched one is.... is... well, that just means the whole world is going to fall apart, the fires of hell are going to rise and consume us all and then meteors will rain down upon us while all of the worlds volcanoes erupt. I mean, good lord! Don't you GET IT?!!! Women -> Nipples -> Evil
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Song of Solomon 4:5
Your breasts are like two fawns,
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that browse among the lilies.

Obviously written by a blind guy.
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