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Just like rabid dogs or mentally retarded psychos are not responsible for their violence, eh? I will remember that the next time I have to pull a weapon against either.
I hate to say it but yes, you have hit the nail on the head with that one. And you probably know you have too.


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Taking about radical Islamists:

Again I say they are not. We would like them to be, but they rile up so quickly for the slightest reason it is like they are on some sort of auto-pilot.

They should be responsible but they are so used to rioting and murder, death and destruction, it is second-nature to them so it is completely normal. It is without sense and completely unfathomable for us to understand but that is the way they are.

You and others need to understand that.

They have no regard to life, they have no compassion for others who are not Islamic and who are suffering as those are non-believers and worth nothing. The word of their god and their prophet is sacrosanct and not even the Laws of the land is anything they uphold.

They are a law unto themselves and are getting away with murder. Their holy books instruct them to lie and cheat if it furthers their cause in promoting Islam.

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Yes, their holy books that they CHOOSE to read, CHOOSE to follow, and CHOOSE to act against. I cannot believe that you actually believe that people who commit violence like that had no choice in the matter. They have no regard for life because they CHOOSE not to. They have no compassion because they CHOOSE not to. They follow a CHOSEN mythology. If they actually had no choice, then the radicals wouldn't be radicals, they would be the norm. And it's obvious they are NOT the norm. They are radicals because they CHOOSE to be.
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Yes, their holy books that they CHOOSE to read, CHOOSE to follow, and CHOOSE to act against. I cannot believe that you actually believe that people who commit violence like that had no choice in the matter. They have no regard for life because they CHOOSE not to. They have no compassion because they CHOOSE not to. They follow a CHOSEN mythology. If they actually had no choice, then the radicals wouldn't be radicals, they would be the norm. And it's obvious they are NOT the norm. They are radicals because they CHOOSE to be.
And it is a cycle they CANNOT get out of because they are in too deep and even counselling wouldn't get them out of it. It is a way of life for them and the more radicalised they are the more impossible it is to get out of it. Think of it as they have been brainwashed. That is the sort of mindset they have. It is not a case of one morning they wake up and decide to renounce the radicalism. It is simply NOT possible for them.


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Taking about radical Islamists:

Again I say they are not. We would like them to be, but they rile up so quickly for the slightest reason it is like they are on some sort of auto-pilot.

They should be responsible but they are so used to rioting and murder, death and destruction, it is second-nature to them so it is completely normal. It is without sense and completely unfathomable for us to understand but that is the way they are.

You and others need to understand that.

They have no regard to life, they have no compassion for others who are not Islamic and who are suffering as those are non-believers and worth nothing. The word of their god and their prophet is sacrosanct and not even the Laws of the land is anything they uphold.

They are a law unto themselves and are getting away with murder. Their holy books instruct them to lie and cheat if it furthers their cause in promoting Islam.

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When an animal gets riled up by the slightest provocation we put them down. What we don't do is keep the animal around and hope everything will be OK.

No matter what a civilized nation does these pieces of human debris will find a reason to kill. They don't need a cartoon or movie, they just have to do it.

It is the responsibility of the civilized world to control out of control beasts and to do that we must kill them. No amount of appeasement will stop them.

I know how you feel PF, but by not doing anything that will set these savages off is appeasement and an infringement of your rights also. I will not stop being me in order to appease a blood thirsty mob.

When these things are going on we should be sending in puff the magic dragon in to finish the job started over a decade ago.

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And it is a cycle they CANNOT get out of because they are in too deep and even counselling wouldn't get them out of it. It is a way of life for them and the more radicalised they are the more impossible it is to get out of it. Think of it as they have been brainwashed. That is the sort of mindset they have. It is not a case of one morning they wake up and decide to renounce the radicalism. It is simply NOT possible for them.


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Of course it's possible for them to not be murderers.
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When an animal gets riled up by the slightest provocation we put them down. What we don't do is keep the animal around and hope everything will be OK.

No matter what a civilized nation does these pieces of human debris will find a reason to kill. They don't need a cartoon or movie, they just have to do it.

It is the responsibility of the civilized world to control out of control beasts and to do that we must kill them. No amount of appeasement will stop them.

I know how you feel PF, but by not doing anything that will set these savages off is appeasement and an infringement of your rights also. I will not stop being me in order to appease a blood thirsty mob.

When these things are going on we should be sending in puff the magic dragon in to finish the job started over a decade ago.

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You know me and you know my views. I hate radical Islam as much or perhaps more than you. What do you want to do though? Blast them all to smithereens? Gather them all up, lock them up and throw away the key.

Whatever you are thinking of I am not far from the truth, but it won't work.

We just have to stick up for what we believe in and if they break the law in our own countries we should prosecute and not, like one of our judges recently, not send the culprit to jail because it would cost the taxpayer too much.

They need to abide by the law of our countries. Our countries need to clamp down hard on their madrases which teach 10 year old kids to hate non-Muslims who are apparently worse than cows and dogs.

Our countries need to crack down hard on the preachers that preach hate in our streets, and perhaps we don't deport them because it 'violates their human rights' to be kicked out of the country where their wives and numerous children reside, etc., etc., etc. You get the drift, don't you?

We don't appease but we let them know that the country is ours, and they behave or ship them out.


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You know me and you know my views. I hate radical Islam as much or perhaps more than you. What do you want to do though? Blast them all to smithereens? Gather them all up, lock them up and throw away the key.

Whatever you are thinking of I am not far from the truth, but it won't work.

We just have to stick up for what we believe in and if they break the law in our own countries we should prosecute and not, like one of our judges recently, not send the culprit to jail because it would cost the taxpayer too much.

They need to abide by the law of our countries. Our countries need to clamp down hard on their madrases which teach 10 year old kids to hate non-Muslims who are apparently worse than cows and dogs.

Our countries need to crack down hard on the preachers that preach hate in our streets, and perhaps we don't deport them because it 'violates their human rights' to be kicked out of the country where their wives and numerous children reside, etc., etc., etc. You get the drift, don't you?

We don't appease but we let them know that the country is ours, and they behave or ship them out.


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Oh no, if we lock them up or kill them, that might upset them. And we certainly can't have that since when they are upset, they aren't in control of their actions and they might slaughter people. And then that would be our fault for locking up the murderers. So apparently, we must kiss their murdering asses and hope and pray they aren't programmed by some hacker to kill us next.
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Of course it's possible for them to not be murderers.
Only if they choose to be, and they don't choose to be. They choose to follow the Koran. Again, it is a totally different mindset. They do not want to change, they see no reason to change, and therefore they never will. As I said above, the madrases for young kids and the home is where it starts.

Remember the quotation:
Give me a child till he is seven and I will show you the man.

It stems from infancy. The baby is born into a family who has no regard for non-Islamic values, goes to a madras that teaches that non-Muslims are worse than dogs, mixes with friends who spend time running down the West, how evil it is, how wonderful and true Islam is, and then you expect the man to choose not to do evil. If only it were that simple.


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Oh no, if we lock them up or kill them, that might upset them. And we certainly can't have that since when they are upset, they aren't in control of their actions and they might slaughter people. And then that would be our fault for locking up the murderers. So apparently, we must kiss their murdering asses and hope and pray they aren't programmed by some hacker to kill us next.
I would have thought you knew my views by now. I have stated what I think of RI often enough. I don't want to appease them. I hate the radicalism with a vengeance. I am simply saying they are totally different to you and I. Also I would add they are totally different to average Muslims who are perplexed and upset at the way these radicals are behaving.

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Only if they choose to be, and they don't choose to be. They choose to follow the Koran. Again, it is a totally different mindset. They do not want to change, they see no reason to change, and therefore they never will. As I said above, the madrases for young kids and the home is where it starts.

Remember the quotation:
Give me a child till he is seven and I will show you the man.

It stems from infancy. The baby is born into a family who has no regard for non-Islamic values, goes to a madras that teaches that non-Muslims are worse than dogs, mixes with friends who spend time running down the West, how evil it is, how wonderful and true Islam is, and then you expect the man to choose not to do evil. If only it were that simple.


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Bull ****ing ****. I'm not even the same person I was 10 years ago, much less over 30 years ago. That's a copout. People control their own actions. And yes, I expect everyone to CHOOSE not to do evil. And when they do CHOOSE to do evil, I expect them to be held accountable for and not for people to apologize and make absurd excuses for their actions.

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I would have thought you knew my views by now. I have stated what I think of RI often enough. I don't want to appease them. I hate the radicalism with a vengeance. I am simply saying they are totally different to you and I. Also I would add they are totally different to average Muslims who are perplexed and upset at the way these radicals are behaving.

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Of course they're different. They're evil ****s. That is their CHOICE. They choose to do evil as much as anyone can choose to do evil. To say it's not their choice is apologizing and excusing their actions.
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