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One of these pictures is not like the other...

2 of them are perfectly acceptable in the teacher's eyes, but one of them gets you punished...

Can you guess which one?...

ADF attorneys defend Wis. high school student facing religious discrimination

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Alliance Defense Fund attorneys filed a federal lawsuit Friday against the Tomah Area School District over an unconstitutional policy that bars religious free speech. Citing a policy prohibiting depictions of “blood, violence, sexual connotations, [or] religious beliefs,” officials penalized a Christian student for his artwork depicting a Bible verse and a cross but did not penalize students who included demonic illustrations in their artwork.

“Christian students shouldn’t be penalized for expressing their beliefs. It is unconstitutional for the school to punish students simply because they choose to exercise their First Amendment rights,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel David Cortman. “Further, teachers are not permitted to censor Christian religious expression in artwork while at the same time allowing other types of religious depictions.”

A student at Tomah High School drew a landscape picture for an art class containing a road, clouds, and mountains with a cross in the background and the words “JOHN 3:16 – A sign of love” written in the sky. The teacher of the class told the student to either remove the scriptural reference or cover it up with a border.

The teacher cited a document that the student and all other students in the class had been required to sign at the beginning of the semester which prevented them from creating artwork with the prohibited depictions. After the teacher said that the student had “signed away his First Amendment rights,” the student respectfully protested by tearing the signed document in half.

“The student was correct. A public school cannot require students to sign away their constitutional right to free speech and religious expression,” Cortman explained. “Furthermore, other students created artwork in violation of this illegitimate policy, but no action was taken against them. Only our client was singled out.”

The teacher gave the student a grade of zero for the assignment. The student also received two detentions.
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[SARCASM]No attack on Christianity here...[/SARCASM]...:
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One of these pictures is not like the other...

2 of them are perfectly acceptable in the teacher's eyes, but one of them gets you punished...

Can you guess which one?...

ADF attorneys defend Wis. high school student facing religious discrimination

Nope...

[SARCASM]No attack on Christianity here...[/SARCASM]...:
Just out of curiousity, do you actually expect anybody here to take up the stance (supporting the school) explained in your satirical post?

I find it absurd that the students cannot have a religious art rendition.
It's the student who makes the art. It is not endorsed by the school. No violation of separation of church and state.

The only possible sticky part is if the art involves a competition, on which case the judges should judge based on artistic merit. Not on whether or not they like the Dalmation drawn by one artist as opposed to the Russian Blue drawn by another. (Dog people can be notoriously prejudiced. (just kidding...))

But seriously, the school is being ridiculous. There is no rational reason for the prohibition.

On another front, unrelated to my support of the student winning the case, the claim of "A public school cannot require students to sign away their constitutional right to free speech and religious expression..." is banal. Students often have their "free speech" and "religious expression" limited. But the interests in doing so are not present here.

Also on another front, I wonder how the first two would do at a Christian school.
Oh wait! Let me guess. THEN the "free speech and religious expression" would be curtailed, and it would be okay, right?
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I agree that the policy is stupid and unconstitutional.

But I think it could be convincingly argued that the first two pictures do not depict "religious beliefs." Who says those are demons? They are fantasy art, pure and simple.

The fact that the teacher only asked the student to remove the Biblical reference indicates to me that he/she was trying to tred a fine line between the established rule and stifling freedom of expression. He/she could just as easily have insisted that the cross itself was a violation of the rule but didn't.

I think they will do better to stick to the argument that the rule is unconstitutional.
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I agree that the policy is stupid and unconstitutional.
But I think it could be convincingly argued that the first two pictures do not depict "religious beliefs." Who says those are demons? They are fantasy art, pure and simple.
Perhaps the artist should have gone that route, insisting that his depiction has as much "fantasy" value as the other two.
But such an argument would obviously be distasteful to the person making the drawing...

I would recommend that the artists next drawing be something on the rule itself. Showing somebody who is gagged from portraying some forms of creative expression.
Not a violation of the rule, but against the rule itself.
At the moment, my thoughts lean more towards an upraised middle finger to the rule, so perhaps the artist shouldn't plagiarize me...


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The fact that the teacher only asked the student to remove the Biblical reference indicates to me that he/she was trying to tred a fine line between the established rule and stifling freedom of expression. He/she could just as easily have insisted that the cross itself was a violation of the rule but didn't.
I think they will do better to stick to the argument that the rule is unconstitutional.
Agreed.
Strike the rule itself at its heart itself.
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Also on another front, I wonder how the first two would do at a Christian school.
Oh wait! Let me guess. THEN the "free speech and religious expression" would be curtailed, and it would be okay, right?
A Christian school is a private institution and is under no obligation to tolerate art which is subversive to the school's agenda. Parents pay for private schools so that they can have a measure of control over the atmosphere their children are subjected to. So yeah, it would be acceptable to curtail free speech and religious expression in that case.
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One of these pictures is not like the other...

2 of them are perfectly acceptable in the teacher's eyes, but one of them gets you punished...

Can you guess which one?...

ADF attorneys defend Wis. high school student facing religious discrimination

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[SARCASM]No attack on Christianity here...[/SARCASM]...:
I would expect this out of California, but Wisconsin for goodness sake?
Must be a transplant.
This is getting worse, isn't it? Who do these people think they are telling an 'artist' he cannot create something out of his emotional connection with the subject. We've gone about as far as we can go in allowing non Christians and protesters of the war and their religions (including Christianity) the right to their own creativity.
This is too much. This teacher should be horse whipped. Or at the very least fired. You do not stiffle a child's creativity like this. This is horrible from an artistic standpoint, a psychological standpoint, and a legal one!
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I would expect this out of California, but Wisconsin for goodness sake?
Must be a transplant.
This is getting worse, isn't it? Who do these people think they are telling an 'artist' he cannot create something out of his emotional connection with the subject. We've gone about as far as we can go in allowing non Christians and protesters of the war and their religions (including Christianity) the right to their own creativity.
This is too much. This teacher should be horse whipped. Or at the very least fired. You do not stiffle a child's creativity like this. This is horrible from an artistic standpoint, a psychological standpoint, and a legal one!

The teacher was just following a school district rule. And, it seems to me, stretched a point in allowing the cross to remain and only requesting the removal of the Bible reference.

Why, then, should he/she be punished?
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The teacher was just following a school district rule. And, it seems to me, stretched a point in allowing the cross to remain and only requesting the removal of the Bible reference.

Why, then, should he/she be punished?

Because...he/she is stupid?

The child's creativity is undermined here. I don't believe the school has specific rules against religious art. If it does, then, of course, it should be sued. I cannot consider the words 'teacher' and 'monster' in the same contexet. But that is what we are talking about. A monster who purports to teach children. OR an ignoramus teaching kids. Either one is unacceptable.
You have a child who is interested in the piano, for instance. He wants to learn to play a simple tune that is dear to him. Do you stiffle that urge by putting a fence around what he can play? Say the song is "Little Brown Jug."
Or say the song is "Jesus Loves Me." Same dif.
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Because...he/she is stupid?

The child's creativity is undermined here. I don't believe the school has specific rules against religious art.
Then you should have read the article cited. It was in the first paragraph.
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MADISON, Wis. — Alliance Defense Fund attorneys filed a federal lawsuit Friday against the Tomah Area School District over an unconstitutional policy that bars religious free speech. Citing a policy prohibiting depictions of “blood, violence, sexual connotations, [or] religious beliefs,” officials penalized a Christian student for his artwork depicting a Bible verse and a cross but did not penalize students who included demonic illustrations in their artwork.

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Then you should have read the article cited. It was in the first paragraph.
I don't believe it. That is not a school. Why would they include such a thing? Please address the rest of my post. I was making a point that this is not education. This is stiffling a life. I feel very passionate about art. I would defend the right of the person who put Jesus in pi$$. Argue about funding it maybe. But defend the right to express whatever does not actually harm another person.
Wearing a T-shirt or a ball cap that is red or blue is one thing. But why have a damned art class if you are going to dictate what a person can draw? Or play on a violin? Once the music of the Irish was forced underground as sinful. The "devil music" was three-part-harmony.
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