ADF attorneys defend Wis. high school student facing religious discrimination - Page 2

crazyflamingos · #11 (**permalink**) 04-02-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I don't believe it. That is not a school. Why would they include such a thing? Please address the rest of my post. I was making a point that this is not education. This is stiffling a life. I feel very passionate about art. I would defend the right of the person who put Jesus in pi$$. Argue about funding it maybe. But defend the right to express whatever does not actually harm another person.
Wearing a T-shirt or a ball cap that is red or blue is one thing. But why have a damned art class if you are going to dictate what a person can draw? Or play on a violin? Once the music of the Irish was forced underground as sinful. The "devil music" was three-part-harmony.

I already addressed that in an earlier post. I will only add that I agree with your reasons as to why it is a stupid policy.

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Originally Posted by crazyflamingos

I agree that the policy is stupid and unconstitutional.

And if you don't believe it is a district policy, don't argue with me. Argue with ADF. They are the ones who wrote the article.

cnredd · #12 (**permalink**) 04-02-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I was making a point that this is not education. This is stiffling a life.

That's an aspect I was thinking about, too...

Putting the legal stuff aside, what "art teacher" in their right mind would ever say "Be creative, but not in certain areas you may find important in your life."?...

foundit66 · #13 (**permalink**) 04-02-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

A Christian school is a private institution and is under no obligation to tolerate art which is subversive to the school's agenda. Parents pay for private schools so that they can have a measure of control over the atmosphere their children are subjected to. So yeah, it would be acceptable to curtail free speech and religious expression in that case.

I agree that would be the legal situation, and I actually support that situation.
My point being that the people who are championing "free expression" would not be doing so if it were THEIR school...

saltwn · #14 (**permalink**) 04-02-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

I agree that would be the legal situation, and I actually support that situation.
My point being that the people who are championing "free expression" would not be doing so if it were THEIR school...

I don't know about the other people, but I champion free expression and I would go to bat for artistic expression.

Idealogically Promiscuous · #15 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

I agree that would be the legal situation, and I actually support that situation.
My point being that the people who are championing "free expression" would not be doing so if it were THEIR school...

I dunno about that. I think it's all in what the expectation is. At a private school, I figure there is an expectation of what the school will allow and disallow. At a public school, because it is government run, there is an expectation the school will be a bit more relaxed with the expression in order to accomodate everyone.

chuck7251 · #16 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 04:10 PM

In a very real way I think that Christian children are being punished for their faith.

If a child wears a "Jesus Loves Me T-Shirt" to school he is told to take it off, or turn it inside out. Jews can wear Yarmulkes... no problem.

foundit66 · #17 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck7251

In a very real way I think that Christian children are being punished for their faith.
If a child wears a "Jesus Loves Me T-Shirt" to school he is told to take it off, or turn it inside out. Jews can wear Yarmulkes... no problem.

1) What you describe is very wrong.
They should be allowed to wear those t-shirts, unless the school has a strict dress code which only allows specific school uniforms (forbidding all others).

2) Christians have the first amendment, which protects most forms of religious expression. (Not necessarily all claims to "religious expression")

They have legal recourse.
In such situations as you describe, I would advise them to take that legal recourse.

3) How often does the above scenario really happen?

tristanrobin · #18 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 05:27 PM

The teacher was in the right - abiding by the rules.

The RULE is wrong.

The rule should be attacked and changed; it's a stupid rule.

But that doesn't mean that students should be taught that, not only can a rule be ignored, but your signature stating that you will abide by the rule can be ignored without consequence.

The wrong avenue is being attacked here.

Idealogically Promiscuous · #19 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

The teacher was in the right - abiding by the rules.

The RULE is wrong.

The rule should be attacked and changed; it's a stupid rule.

But that doesn't mean that students should be taught that, not only can a rule be ignored, but your signature stating that you will abide by the rule can be ignored without consequence.

The wrong avenue is being attacked here.

I agree with you on this point. The rule really was the issue. Unless the teacher set the rule.

saltwn · #20 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 09:12 PM

And the student was also in the right, because his "civil disobedience" in tearing up that document is what led to this rule probably being changed.
Bully for his creativity and Bully for his courage!

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