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I would imagine that they will argue that they did not fire the teacher for being pregnant, but instead for having sex while unmarried.
I've heard it said that there is a religious mentality that we are all sinners and he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

The most important rules revolve around loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.

But of course, ignoring the actual red letter text in the bible and acting like Pharisees is something too much of modern Christianity has gotten very good at...


On a legal front, that could boil down to what she has openly admitted.
If she told them of pre-marital sex, that would lose the potential to demand the school prove how she became pregnant...
There are medical techniques to impregnate without sex, and unless the school has proof then they would be in violation still...
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I've heard it said that there is a religious mentality that we are all sinners and he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

The most important rules revolve around loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.

But of course, ignoring the actual red letter text in the bible and acting like Pharisees is something too much of modern Christianity has gotten very good at...


On a legal front, that could boil down to what she has openly admitted.
If she told them of pre-marital sex, that would lose the potential to demand the school prove how she became pregnant...
There are medical techniques to impregnate without sex, and unless the school has proof then they would be in violation still...
This would would be a much happier place if everyone would just butt out of the sex lives of others!


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It appears they DID!...

This isn't in the OP...But it's Raw Story, so what do you expect?...

From the NY Daily News...

See?...

Now why was that FACT not in the Raw Story article?...

Because Raw Story sucks and no one should consider them even minisculy credible...
That's really not going to matter when it gets to court. There are a few instances in which a contract is automatically void in the eyes of the court. One that stands out immediately is when a lease violates Fair Housing standards or health codes. Another is when an employer tries to contract around equal opportunity and anti-discrimination laws. Also, any contract that tries to suspend rights to due process, etc.

Fact is, pregnancy is protected under anti-discrimination laws...and for good reason. Further, there is no exception to that protection for unwed mothers; they are just as protected as wed mothers. She's going to win this and the school is going to have egg on their faces.
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I've heard it said that there is a religious mentality that we are all sinners and he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

The most important rules revolve around loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.

But of course, ignoring the actual red letter text in the bible and acting like Pharisees is something too much of modern Christianity has gotten very good at...


On a legal front, that could boil down to what she has openly admitted.
If she told them of pre-marital sex, that would lose the potential to demand the school prove how she became pregnant...
There are medical techniques to impregnate without sex, and unless the school has proof then they would be in violation still...
In the school where one of my kids attended they had a strict policy about such things. A student became pregnant out of wedlock and although the school offered to send work home and even coach her after hours on an individual basis, they would not allow her to attend class with the other students. The pregnant teens parents were big donors to the school and affiliated church. To their credit they did not withdraw any of that support and backed the school in its decision.
In a religious society, one must respect the rules set down or else why belong to such an organization?
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That's really not going to matter when it gets to court. There are a few instances in which a contract is automatically void in the eyes of the court. One that stands out immediately is when a lease violates Fair Housing standards or health codes. Another is when an employer tries to contract around equal opportunity and anti-discrimination laws. Also, any contract that tries to suspend rights to due process, etc.

Fact is, pregnancy is protected under anti-discrimination laws...and for good reason. Further, there is no exception to that protection for unwed mothers; they are just as protected as wed mothers. She's going to win this and the school is going to have egg on their faces.
While I agree, there is a possible strategy for them...

There was a recent SCOTUS case where the court decided unanimously on a church firing a member for health reasons which were a violation of civil rights law.
But because it was a church, they were classified as exempt. "Religious freedom" in a situation where I don't think ANYBODY could have showed a Biblical justification for firing somebody for narcolepsy.
Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds | Fox News

This may try a "get-out of observing the law" card on religious grounds.
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You can't make a contract to violate the law and hope it holds up in court...

If an employer / employee contract said that the employee couldn't worship Christianity, do you think that should hold up in court despite the first amendment and civil rights legislation?
What law was violated?? They had standards which were explained in her employment contract and she violated those standards. Thus, she gets fired. If you sign an employment contract that says you have to work Mondy through Friday from 8AM to 5PM and you only show up for work on Wenesday for half an hour, you get fired.
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I would imagine that they will argue that they did not fire the teacher for being pregnant, but instead for having sex while unmarried.

No, they fired her for violating the clause in her contract about being a "Christian role model". Whether you agree with it or not, having sex outside of marriage is not being a good Christian role model. They didn't fire her until her actions became evident for all to see (pregnancy + not married = sex outside of marriage or IV fertilization). They didn't fire her until her actions prevented her from being a good Christian role model. She agreed to those standards when she was hired and she violated them. Now she's filing a specious lawsuit that will go nowhere and hopefully the school will counter sue for all legal expenses incurred.
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No, they fired her for violating the clause in her contract about being a "Christian role model". Whether you agree with it or not, having sex outside of marriage is not being a good Christian role model. They didn't fire her until her actions became evident for all to see (pregnancy + not married = sex outside of marriage or IV fertilization). They didn't fire her until her actions prevented her from being a good Christian role model. She agreed to those standards when she was hired and she violated them. Now she's filing a specious lawsuit that will go nowhere and hopefully the school will counter sue for all legal expenses incurred.
Wasn't Christ's mother pregnant before marriage?

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While I agree, there is a possible strategy for them...

There was a recent SCOTUS case where the court decided unanimously on a church firing a member for health reasons which were a violation of civil rights law.
But because it was a church, they were classified as exempt. "Religious freedom" in a situation where I don't think ANYBODY could have showed a Biblical justification for firing somebody for narcolepsy.
Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds | Fox News

This may try a "get-out of observing the law" card on religious grounds.
That's just messed up. And while I come down strongly on the side of religious freedoms, I vehemently side against expression of those freedoms interfering in the private lives and medical conditions of other citizens.
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What law was violated??
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That's just messed up. And while I come down strongly on the side of religious freedoms, I vehemently side against expression of those freedoms interfering in the private lives and medical conditions of other citizens.
That was my reaction as well.
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