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By Richard Owen

ROME — Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and “manipulative” genetic scientists beware — you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalization. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “secularized world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes,” including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell.”

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularized in the Middle Ages by Dante in "The Inferno": lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 percent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalization.” Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an individual matter, it now has “social resonance.”

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few.”

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This update may well spawn some controversy amongst fellow Catholics but I see nothing to disagree with.Non Catholics should not be troubled since they do not hold with the papacy or it's teachings.
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By Richard Owen

ROME — Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and “manipulative” genetic scientists beware — you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalization. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “secularized world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes,” including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell.”

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularized in the Middle Ages by Dante in "The Inferno": lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 percent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalization.” Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an individual matter, it now has “social resonance.”

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few.”

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This update may well spawn some controversy amongst fellow Catholics but I see nothing to disagree with.Non Catholics should not be troubled since they do not hold with the papacy or it's teachings.

I guess all the catholics are heading off to the inferno... ;o) They sure do show their "pride" in being catholics.....Alot of them can't hide their pride behind all that glutany...

And, I don't give a shit, I am not catholic... What that man says means the same to me as if he said nothing at all.....

What I find funny, is this weekend, a local baptist church shows up with this sign (huge) that says, "no perfect people allowed"... now wouldn't that be discriminating against people??? I thought God let all people in, perferct or not....

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The main problem with ALL people (not just Catholics) is the attempt at justification of bad behavior...People want to do bad things for greed or pleasure, and then try and excuse it away with terms like "If it feels good, do it" or "I'm just trying to make a buck and get by in life"...

I believe God will see right through that...
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I guess all the catholics are heading off to the inferno... ;o) They sure do show their "pride" in being catholics.....Alot of them can't hide their pride behind all that glutany...
Well,some Catholics are headed to the inferno and the same is true of all denominations who's members pay only lip service to their God.

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And, I don't give a shit, I am not catholic... What that man says means the same to me as if he said nothing at all.....
The Kingdom of God is not a democracy. There are rules that must be followed to the best of one's ability. Only he can be forgiven who has something to be forgiven! This is true in every Christian denomination.
That man you are referring to is respected by millions within the Catholic faith and millions "outside" the Catholic faith! He would be the first to defend your right to reject him.

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What I find funny, is this weekend, a local baptist church shows up with this sign (huge) that says, "no perfect people allowed"... now wouldn't that be discriminating against people??? I thought God let all people in, perferct or not....
Baptists like Catholics,are indeed not perfect but all who follow Christ are forgiven!
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It is funny... th ebible says "the wages of sin is death"... there is no qualification for one sin being worse than others. Basically, it is saying that murder and telling a lie are equal.... you die for both of them...

Who is the Catholic church to think they know better than God himself?
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Who is the Catholic church to think they know better than God himself?
It's not just the Catholic church,many believe they know better than God himself. It's called self-justification and it is used to get around certain biblical issues that they may not agree with. As I have said before,non Catholics should not be troubled by Catholic dogma. I would never join or support any church that I did not agree with..

You have to understand a little about Catholicism and the church of Peter and the papacy before one can have a better idea about the Catholic faith. "You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build "my" church and the gates of hell will not "prevail" against it" The Catholic church does not believe it knows better than God,they believe they are in "union" with God.
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I had great respect for John Paul II. This Benedict guy... I'm not so sure. It's okay because I'm Quaker, but I seek a sense of oneness with others at least in efforts to improve quality of life, so there is a bit of an impact. Or that's what I've noticed from the cooperative outside at any rate.
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I had great respect for John Paul II. This Benedict guy... I'm not so sure. It's okay because I'm Quaker, but I seek a sense of oneness with others at least in efforts to improve quality of life, so there is a bit of an impact. Or that's what I've noticed from the cooperative outside at any rate.
Pope Benedict is a risk taker and very intelligent. I am a small (c) Catholic,and I do not always agree with everything issued from Rome.That said,I'm sure that I would never be totally content with any denomination.I'm one of those Catholics who debates the church on their own turff.Even Peter denied Christ three times even though he stated he would never do this.This was a man who witnessed the miracles and knew Christ and still denied him! Did Christ cast him out? Far from it..he placed him in authority.We are all too human and face temptation on a daily basis.Christ knows we are imperfect and he would never turn "anyone" away who loves him and makes an honest attempt to follow his will to the best of their human and spiritual abilities.I agree.. we see far more cooperation between the denominations. In my youth,I would never have imagined the open dialog we have today! The price for our sins has already been paid in full,sometimes we have a greater problem forgiving ourselves.
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Speaking as an outsider, from what I can tell, John Paul II was the reason for the revival of the church, the improved inter-faith relations, and modernization of church law (catechism(sp)).
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Speaking as an outsider, from what I can tell, John Paul II was the reason for the revival of the church, the improved inter-faith relations, and modernization of church law (catechism(sp)).
Correct..Benedict will carry on this inter-faith relationship but he is also far more outspoken and does not fear controversy.He is not fond of radical Islam and got himself into a little trouble over that. I believe he was fundamentally correct but these are delicate matters and I believe he was not prepared for the blowback. Time will tell..Benedict has since improved his sense of politics in the inter-faith arena. I say..he should be himself but always remain open to the spirit for without the Spirit he cannot succeed and with the Spirit,he cannot fail.
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