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mlurp 12-07-2011 06:36 PM

Atheists Who Go to Church: Doing It for the Children
 
Now I think this is a very sound idea, giving a child choices.

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Atheists Who Go to Church: Doing It for the Children :wave

By COLUMN by LEE DYE | ABC News Tue, Dec 6, 2011. Posted 7 Dec. 2011

He probably won't get down on his knees, but that fellow sitting near you during the Sunday church service just may be an atheist. And a scientist.

A new study out of Rice University has found that 17 percent -- about one out of five scientists who describe themselves as either atheists or agnostics -- actually go to church, although not too often, and not because they feel a spiritual yearning to join the faithful.

More likely, it's because of the kids.

What? Why would somebody who doesn't believe there's a god want his own offspring wasting their time in an enterprise he believes has no foundation in fact? Especially a scientist.

The study, by sociologists Elaine Howard Ecklund of Rice and Kristen Schultz Lee of the University at Buffalo, found that many atheists want their children exposed to religion so that they can make up their own minds on what to believe. In addition, church may provide a better understanding of morality and ethics, and occasionally attending services may ease the conflict between spouses who disagree over the value of religion to their children, the study contends.

The research, published in the December issue of the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, was based on in-depth interviews with 275 scientists at 21 "elite" research universities in the United States. Sixty-one percent of the participants described themselves as either atheists or agnostics, and 17 percent of the non-believers had attended church more than once in the past year.

In general, their church affiliation followed a similar pattern -- most were raised in a family that was not deeply involved in religion, and they did not attend church during early adulthood but established a relationship with a church when they had children of their own. After the children had grown, they attended church less and less, if at all.

But why would someone who believes there is no god want his children exposed to doctrines that he clearly believes to be false?

"Some actually see it as part of their scientific identity," Ecklund said in a telephone interview. "They want to teach their children to be free thinkers, to give them religious choices, and so they take their children to religious organizations just to give them exposure to religion."

Let the kids make up their own minds, many of the participants told Ecklund.

Still, it may seem a bit odd for some atheists to perceive church as a desired "community" at a time when many leading atheists are calling on their colleagues to come out of the closet and take a public stand against religion. Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, physicist Victor Stenger and others see religion as a source of evil in the world.

They contend that science has moved beyond a belief in the supernatural, partly because science has answered some questions that were previously left up to clerics. Evolution, for example, provides a naturalist explanation for how we got here.

True believers, by contrast, regard atheists as "among the least trusted people" on the planet, according to researchers at the University of British Columbia. These scientists emphasized last month that the right word is "distrust," not "dislike."

But however you put it, atheists do have a bit of an image problem. If they feel uncomfortable attending church, that's nothing compared to entering some aspects of public service. They usually find themselves on the outside looking in.



Atheists Who Go to Church

Columnist Michael Kinsley confessed to being a "nonbeliever" in the Los Angeles Times last month. In an op-ed piece he conceded, "That puts me in the only religious grouping in America whose members are effectively barred from any hope of becoming president, due to widespread public prejudice against them. There will be a Mormon president, a Jewish president, an openly gay president before there will be a president who says publicly that he doesn't believe in God."

He contrasted that with the current run for the White House in which "four of this year's Republican candidates were personally recruited by God to run for president." That number has since dropped to three.

Ecklund, who has conducted several studies of science and religion, said in the interview that it's possible for an atheist to become a member of a religious community without feeling like a phony.

"I don't think they see it as a conflict," she said. That's partly because they've been out of the mainstream for nearly their entire lives.

"There's a good deal of difference between the science community and the general public," she said. "Scientists are less likely to have been raised in religious homes." When they were, she added, "they were generally raised in homes where religion was not practiced strongly. It was not part of the fabric of life."

So perhaps a scientist who happens to be an agnostic or an atheist sees no problem with turning to religion, if only for awhile, because it could open new avenues of thought for the children. After all, isn't that the heart of science?

"The children can decide for themselves what to believe," Ecklund said.

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knowuryder 12-07-2011 07:25 PM

Re: Atheists Who Go to Church: Doing It for the Children
 
There are a lot of atheists in Europe who attend services because for them it is about community and tradition, I read this in an article recently and I want to see if I can find it.

I bet you devout people don't discuss the possibility of there NOT being a god with THEIR children thus giving THEM a choice.

My brother is an atheist and a doctor but he took his kids to The Unitarian Church so that they could be exposed to faith and worship, they chose not to follow it as they got older, but I liked that he tried.

saltwn 12-07-2011 08:38 PM

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My mother was an agnostic for many years and she did her best to expose me to as many religions as she could. God bless her.

faithful_servant 12-08-2011 12:30 AM

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I started going to church because of my girlfriend (now my wife).

sky dancer 12-08-2011 12:53 PM

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Plenty of people go to church for the networking.

mlurp 12-08-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by knowuryder (Post 377600)
There are a lot of atheists in Europe who attend services because for them it is about community and tradition, I read this in an article recently and I want to see if I can find it.

:thumbsup

I bet you devout people don't discuss the possibility of there NOT being a god with THEIR children thus giving THEM a choice.

Hummm me thinks you have created a situation where you in striking out at the devout people. Have plainly, didn't think it through. Why would any devout person/people teach other, when our Liberal public schools teach it for us?

My brother is an atheist and a doctor but he took his kids to The Unitarian Church so that they could be exposed to faith and worship, they chose not to follow it as they got older, but I liked that he tried.

See it it is easy to leave it, and I too like that he tried.. :cool

AZRWinger 12-08-2011 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by knowuryder (Post 377600)

I bet you devout people don't discuss the possibility of there NOT being a god with THEIR children thus giving THEM a choice.

Why would you teach your children something you didn't believe, like there is no God? They will naturally reach a point in their lives when they question everything you taught them, better not to confuse them before then.

knowuryder 12-08-2011 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 378278)
Why would you teach your children something you didn't believe, like there is no God? They will naturally reach a point in their lives when they question everything you taught them, better not to confuse them before then.

For the same reason you would take them to church even if you are an atheist, to give them options.

mlurp 12-08-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant (Post 377792)
I started going to church because of my girlfriend (now my wife).

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 377958)
Plenty of people go to church for the networking.

And I find I get more from just reading and understanding His Way. as He means it.

I hope you both got/get what was worth the trip each Sunday..

And are deeper into the idea of God, the Holy Father, than before you each started on the path..

God bless... :yes

mlurp 12-08-2011 11:54 PM

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Hey just ignore me and continue as I step out for a smoke... :lol


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