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Old 12-01-2011, 09:37 PM
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Just to show that not all Baptists are the same, here's a church in NC whose members voted unanimously to not have the pastor act as a state proxy for any marriages until same sex marriage is legal. The church will still perform religious weddings for both gays and straights, but people will have to go directly to the court house to get married.
Pullen Baptist takes a stand for gay marriage - Religion - NewsObserver.com
That's actually a pretty fair way to handle it.
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That's actually a pretty fair way to handle it.
It is, and I really don't understand why some people don't understand the distinction between marriage (a legal contract regulated by the state) and a religious wedding. The two things are quite distinct, and some churches will remain bigoted against gays and blacks while others will be inclusive - no problem with that at all.

But it's good to see at least one Baptist church doing the right thing.
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Just to show that not all Baptists are the same, here's a church in NC whose members voted unanimously to not have the pastor act as a state proxy for any marriages until same sex marriage is legal. The church will still perform religious weddings for both gays and straights, but people will have to go directly to the court house to get married.
Pullen Baptist takes a stand for gay marriage - Religion - NewsObserver.com
I am from North Carolina and attended NCSU. Pullen Baptist Church has always been a very forward thinking congregation and they are very well respected in the city. Good to see that they have kept that tradition going.
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They have the legal right - but morally? What would Jesus say?
Although I would balk at making any effort to impute a moral stance to Jesus (the "WWJD"--or What Would Jesus Do?--trinkets of yesteryear never impressed me), I agree that there is a great deal of difference between a moral right and a legal right.

I have long believed that each congregation should be entirely autonomous, with no governing authority higher than the congregation's own elders (or bishops, or presbyters)--just as I believe that each state should be considered autonomous, with no authority above its state legislature and governor--so I cannot quibble with the congregation's right to act according to its own leaders' best judgment.

But I find these folks' views on interracial couples to be quite odious...
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Ky. church's ban on interracial couples voided - CBS News
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PIKEVILLE, Ky. - A Baptist congregation's vote to ban interracial couples from membership has been declared null and void by a church conference.

Members of the Gulnare Free Will Baptist Church in Pike County had voted to ban interracial couples after Stella Harville came to services with her fiance, Ticha Chikuni, who is from Zimbabwe. The two met at Georgetown College.

About one-third of the church's members voted last week, 9-6, to ban membership to interracial couples...

Pastor Stacy Stepp - who said he opposed the policy - asked for help from the Sandy Valley Conference of Free Will Baptists, comprised of more than a dozen member churches.

WYMT reports that the Conference met on Saturday and declared the interracial ban was invalid.

"No motion is in order that conflicts with the laws of the nation or state or with the assembly's constitution of by-laws. And if such motion is adopted, even by a unanimous vote, it is null and void," said Jim Patton, the pastor at Pikeville Freewill Baptist Church and a member of the Sandy Valley Conference.

"We believe that everyone is welcome in the house of God, and we are not a racist group of people," said Bobby Mullins, pastor at Martin County Free Will Baptist Church, told WYMT correspondent Jerrika Insco.

"I don't believe it's right. People should be able to worship. I don't care what color their skin is," one Bowling Fork churchgoer told WYMT.
In other words, we were getting too much negative publicity to get away with this.
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Ky. church's ban on interracial couples voided - CBS NewsIn other words, we were getting too much negative publicity to get away with this.
No, if you would read the article again, it clearly said that one of the pastors went to the association that oversee's the church and the association voided the policy. It had nothing to do with bad publicity (though I imagine the bad publicity was probably not appreciated) and everything to do with the governing body's policies overriding those of the individual church's vote.
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No, if you would read the article again, it clearly said that one of the pastors went to the association that oversee's the church and the association voided the policy. It had nothing to do with bad publicity (though I imagine the bad publicity was probably not appreciated) and everything to do with the governing body's policies overriding those of the individual church's vote.
Given that I was perhaps being overly cynical, is there anything about this situation that can be seen as instructive re: the debate now going on regarding states rights? The relationship between the church and the association to which it belongs seems roughly analogous to the state/fed gov. relationship, but I suppose if the church isn't protesting the its vote having been voided, or threatening to secede (as it were), that's probably as far as the comparison goes (he said, answering his own question).
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