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I'd love to talk to some NON-fundamentalist Christians about the deeper meaning of Jesus teachings.

I don't think Jesus came to "save us from our sins", (original sin), or to form a religion. I feel he came to show us that we are capable of being one with God, both human and inseparable from the divine.
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“Let’s state it clearly: One great idea of the biblical revelation is that God is manifest in the ordinary, in the actual, in the daily, in the now, in the concrete incarnations of life, and not through purity codes and moral achievement contests, which are seldom achieved anyway.”

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I'd love to talk to some NON-fundamentalist Christians about the deeper meaning of Jesus teachings.

I don't think Jesus came to "save us from our sins", (original sin), or to form a religion. I feel he came to show us that we are capable of being one with God, both human and inseparable from the divine.
How about me. I'm not a fundamentalist. ha ha. I think he was some guy who convinced some folks he was the son of god. He seems to have been considered a nice enough guy. Maybe that is why he is remembered.
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“Let’s state it clearly: One great idea of the biblical revelation is that God is manifest in the ordinary, in the actual, in the daily, in the now, in the concrete incarnations of life, and not through purity codes and moral achievement contests, which are seldom achieved anyway.”

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I really doubt that moral achievement and purity can be disregarded from the things Jesus was trying to teach, otherwise, he wouldn't have instructed people to "go and sin no more". I think that people like to believe that his message wasn't one of moral issues, but I don't think that's the case.
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I'd love to talk to some NON-fundamentalist Christians about the deeper meaning of Jesus teachings.
I don't think Jesus came to "save us from our sins", (original sin), or to form a religion. I feel he came to show us that we are capable of being one with God, both human and inseparable from the divine.
So you prefer to discuss this with people who won't challenge your preconceptions??? I'm a fundamentalist Christian and there's a lot about your statement that is incorrect according to the Bible (both Old and New Covenants). But you don't want to hear my take on it, because you just want people who think like you do to pat you on the head and tell you how smart you are. I have a good friend who's a professional chef and the people who's opinons he truly values are the ones who will challenge his cooking. The people who will tell him that his pan sauce needed more salt or that his cake was tough. People who only tell him that they loved his food drive no change in him, they do not challenge him to improve. You're like a chef who cooks crappy food, but only cooks for people with no palate so all he hears is that his food is wonderful.
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So you prefer to discuss this with people who won't challenge your preconceptions??? I'm a fundamentalist Christian and there's a lot about your statement that is incorrect according to the Bible (both Old and New Covenants). But you don't want to hear my take on it, because you just want people who think like you do to pat you on the head and tell you how smart you are. I have a good friend who's a professional chef and the people who's opinons he truly values are the ones who will challenge his cooking. The people who will tell him that his pan sauce needed more salt or that his cake was tough. People who only tell him that they loved his food drive no change in him, they do not challenge him to improve. You're like a chef who cooks crappy food, but only cooks for people with no palate so all he hears is that his food is wonderful.
I'm more interested in talking to Christians who have an expansive view than a narrow one.
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I really doubt that moral achievement and purity can be disregarded from the things Jesus was trying to teach, otherwise, he wouldn't have instructed people to "go and sin no more". I think that people like to believe that his message wasn't one of moral issues, but I don't think that's the case.
It is very difficult to know what Jesus message truly was since the institutional church has been re-writing the Bible since it's inception.

What I do, is take one line, and I pray to understand it, contemplate it and then meditate on it.

That brings me closer to God than any other method. Shaking my finger at other people's conduct isn't my interest.

Conduct is only one small aspect of Jesus method.
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I'm more interested in talking to Christians who have an expansive view than a narrow one.
Truth tends to be a pretty narrow view. You most likely look for people who won't challenge your misconceptions, who's study of the Bible is limited to anti-Biblical websites and who have no interest in Truth, just being made to feel good about themselves. Sorry if the Truth offends, but that's what it usually does when it confronts a lie.
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It is very difficult to know what Jesus message truly was since the institutional church has been re-writing the Bible since it's inception.

What I do, is take one line, and I pray to understand it, contemplate it and then meditate on it.

That brings me closer to God than any other method. Shaking my finger at other people's conduct isn't my interest.

Conduct is only one small aspect of Jesus method.
What I do when I feel confused about Christ's teachings is throw out the traditional church and read the Bible. If you keep a spiritual mind while doing so, you will discover wisdom you never even hoped to fathom alone.
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It is very difficult to know what Jesus message truly was since the institutional church has been re-writing the Bible since it's inception.

What I do, is take one line, and I pray to understand it, contemplate it and then meditate on it.

That brings me closer to God than any other method. Shaking my finger at other people's conduct isn't my interest.

Conduct is only one small aspect of Jesus method.
Actually, the Bible is very well vetted. The earliest know transcripts are less than 100 years (about 60) from the original - a bibliographical standard that NO book of that age come even close to. Ceasar's histories of the world are the next best example and they are over 400 years removed.

Yeah, I know that's just Truth and since it comes from a fundamentalist, you get to choose to ignore it if you want.
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