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I'm not endorsing the below. There's bits where even a hard line right winger like myself is thinking "This girl is nuts", but she's not always wrong on her facts. For example there actually is such a thing as Bacha bazi. At the same time though, she says stuff like Christ doesn't want you to be nice.

She's angry, questionable, debate-worthy on facts, but completely fascinating. There's no way to have a passive response to this. Whether you believe her, or not you're guaranteed to be pissed off.

Warning: It can get graphic.

I'll start with # 3, because that's when she really kicks it into gear. (You'll have to click the link on # 3, and # 2. They won't display as videos here, for some reason).

Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survery in Evil # 3 of 4


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Wow is right. So far I just looked at the first one.

Yes she does say some totally "out there" stuff like "Jesus doesn't want you to be nice" and "Islam is contrived by Satan". On the other hand she articulates some profound points especially:" Arguing that Islam is a constitutionally protected religion is like arguing that Nazism is a constitutionally protected religion." Unfortunately the Jesus and Satan stuff will give the dopey atheists an angle to attack her.

When I have time I will look at the rest of it and submit my opinion. I look forward to that.
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Some of her facts may be exaggerated, or twisted. Female circumcision does cause infections, but her description of how isn't the way it's generally described.

Then there's the one about how they got Al Zarqawi by knowing he went to a "Thursday night club", for homosexual Muslims, and how the Thursday night club could exist, because a local Iman had passed a Fatwa saying Allah didn't watch on Thurday's. I looked for evidence of that one, and couldn't find it.
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Some of her facts may be exaggerated, or twisted. Female circumcision does cause infections, but her description of how isn't the way it's generally described.
There are several different types of female circumcision; the mildest form is analogous to the male circumcision routinely practiced in the US: only the clitoral hood is removed, which is analogous to removing the male foreskin, and I do not feel we can condemn other cultures for it, whatever their reasons... not when we ourselves practice such a similar procedure on male children, without much valid medical justification.

There are several other levels of severity, however, when it comes to female circumcision; some involve the removal of the clitoris. The worst form involves removal of all external female genitalia, and sewing shut the vaginal opening, leaving only a tiny hole for urine and menstrual blood.
This form of female circumcision is illegal in most countries, and is widely practiced mainly in tribal regions of subsaharan Africa.
I feel we can safely condemn it. It's harmful and wrong.
But as for the first form that I mentioned... it is no worse than the male circumcision practiced here.
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Ok I watched the rest of the videos. As everyone on this site well knows I am probably the foremost enemy of Islam here. That being said I have my doubts about wide spread homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality among Muslims. However, I will research this.

I have doubts about the wide spread female genital mutilation as well. If it were as wide spread as she says it would cause such vaginal infection issues that the high birth rate among Muslims would not exist

In the last few minutes of the fourth installment when she speaks about homosexuality in general she is spot on. I have been saying for a long time that it is a form of mental illness in and of itself. No one is born homosexual.

I wasn't aware of the American Psychological Association taking pedophilia off the list of mental disorders. Yet it doesn't surprise me since it is the next logical step after removing homosexuality 40 years ago. If it is the case I doubt they are doing it to clear the deck for Shari’a law. I will research this as well.
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There are several different types of female circumcision; the mildest form is analogous to the male circumcision routinely practiced in the US: only the clitoral hood is removed, which is analogous to removing the male foreskin, and I do not feel we can condemn other cultures for it, whatever their reasons... not when we ourselves practice such a similar procedure on male children, without much valid medical justification.

There are several other levels of severity, however, when it comes to female circumcision; some involve the removal of the clitoris. The worst form involves removal of all external female genitalia, and sewing shut the vaginal opening, leaving only a tiny hole for urine and menstrual blood.
This form of female circumcision is illegal in most countries, and is widely practiced mainly in tribal regions of subsaharan Africa.
I feel we can safely condemn it. It's harmful and wrong.
But as for the first form that I mentioned... it is no worse than the male circumcision practiced here.
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I do not feel we can condemn other cultures for it, whatever their reasons... not when we ourselves practice such a similar procedure on male children, without much valid medical justification.
This is an example of rampant cultural relativism. Just how brainwashed by "diversity" are you? (rhetorical question)

Not much medical justification for male circumcision? The only argument against it is that male homosexuals prefer an un-circumcised penis.
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This is an example of rampant cultural relativism. Just how brainwashed by "diversity" are you? (rhetorical question)

Not much medical justification for male circumcision? The only argument against it is that male homosexuals prefer an un-circumcised penis.
I'm pregnant with a boy right now. I'm having him circumcised. I have two other sons, both circumcised.
But truly, there is no real medical justification for it.
Neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor any other reputable medical society recommends it. It is NOT medically justified. Neither do they condemn it. It's deeply ingrained in our culture.
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I'm pregnant with a boy right now. I'm having him circumcised. I have two other sons, both circumcised.
But truly, there is no real medical justification for it.
Neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor any other reputable medical society recommends it. It is NOT medically justified. Neither do they condemn it. It's deeply ingrained in our culture.

I knew a guy in the army that got a terrible infection because he was not circumcised. He had to get circumcised as an an adult as a result
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