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Thousands of protesters have rallied in the Spanish capital, Madrid, against the cost of a visit by the Pope, hours before he is due to arrive.

A number of the demonstrators clashed with police after marching to the central Sol square chanting slogans.

Earlier, Spanish police arrested a Mexican student for allegedly plotting to gas the anti-Pope rallies.

The trip comes at a time of economic hardship in Spain, although organisers say the pilgrimage is self-funded.

Up to a million pilgrims from across the world have gathered in the city for the six-day World Youth Day (WYD 2011) festival, which culminates with an open-air mass on Sunday celebrated by Pope Benedict XVI.

The Pope will arrive at Madrid's Barajas airport on Thursday morning and hold meetings with young people at WYD 2011 later in the day.
More than 100 groups opposed to the Pope's visit planned to protest on Wednesday evening.

They include those who belong to the 15-M "indignant" movement - who oppose the government's austerity drive - as well as gay rights groups and others who oppose aspects of Catholic teaching.

"We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending," 15-M said in a statement.

Protesters walked into the old city centre shouting "Nothing for the Pope from my taxes".

"It is costing a lot of money for the Spanish state which is going through a bad period," one protester, 55-year-old Rosa Vazquez, told Reuters news agency.

.........................The government has declined to give a figure for the costs, according to Reuters news agency ..........................

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So who do you think is funding it? Should Spain stand the cost?
...and bearing in mind the recent riots in London, were the police right to try to clear the square?
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The Pope is also a head of state and as with any head of state security can be costly. How much Spain is willing to shoulder is up to them.
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The Pope is also a head of state and as with any head of state security can be costly. How much Spain is willing to shoulder is up to them.
eurozone leaders agreed a new 109bn euros ($155bn, 96.3bn) bail-out for Greece and expanded the role of the European rescue fund to alleviate pressure on other indebted countries like Spain and Italy.

But despite the deal, both Spain and Italy, who have high public debts, have been forced to borrow at higher interest rates than previously.

Spain borrowed 2.9bn euros in short-term debt, paying an interest rate of 2.519% to borrow for six months, up sharply from 1.776% previously.

Italy had to pay 2.269% to borrow for the same amount of time - up from 1.988%.
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the income from tourism and merchandise blows away any costs incurred...

It's completely ignorant to look at "X" as the cost without factoring "X + millions" in revenue...
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the income from tourism and merchandise blows away any costs incurred...

It's completely ignorant to look at "X" as the cost without factoring "X + millions" in revenue...
One would think Spain would gain from the visit but if they do not want to allocate the funding it would be their loss.
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eurozone leaders agreed a new 109bn euros ($155bn, 96.3bn) bail-out for Greece and expanded the role of the European rescue fund to alleviate pressure on other indebted countries like Spain and Italy.

But despite the deal, both Spain and Italy, who have high public debts, have been forced to borrow at higher interest rates than previously.

Spain borrowed 2.9bn euros in short-term debt, paying an interest rate of 2.519% to borrow for six months, up sharply from 1.776% previously.

Italy had to pay 2.269% to borrow for the same amount of time - up from 1.988%.
But did they think of the tax that could be generated by a papal visit? Not to mention the profits that the vendors would make. Maybe it would boost their economy.. Granted it would be short term but it sounds like they could use it.
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Update

Church organizers insist the papal visit involves zero cost for Spanish taxpayers because the money is coming from corporate sponsors, private donations and fees paid by some of the pilgrims, among other sources.

http://hosted2.ap.org/COGRA/APWorldN...0be28b7b75aa51
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