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Old 08-02-2011, 08:21 PM
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An interesting discussion in another thread has taken a life of its own, and frankly I think the issue deserves discussion beyond the context of that thread.

According to some of our esteemed posters, individuals who are verbally assaulted are responsible for that assault and not the person going on the tirade.

If someone says something off color, it is YOUR fault for seeing the off color aspects of the speech instead of their fault for saying something off color. Or at least that seems to be the argument. This argument was made under the guise of trying to end perpetual victimization, but really it doesn't make much sense.

This is akin to blaming the rape victim or the murder victim of the crime committed against them. Fascinating stuff.
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According to some of our esteemed posters, individuals who are verbally assaulted are responsible for that assault and not the person going on the tirade.
Actually, what I said was that the individual is solely responsible for their own reactions to words spoken to them.

If you're going to start a ****ing thread about what I said, at least get what I said RIGHT.

I'd love for you to show how one isn't responsible for their reactions. Apparently you think people have no control over their own actions and reactions.
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Actually, what I said was that the individual is solely responsible for their own reactions to words spoken to them.

If you're going to start a ****ing thread about what I said, at least get what I said RIGHT.

I'd love for you to show how one isn't responsible for their reactions. Apparently you think people have no control over their own actions and reactions.
It's not just you so don't assume that it is... I've got better things to do than to start a thread about you.

You are blaming the person's reaction instead of the offending party. Those homosexuals at Stonewall should have just rolled over. Slaves shouldn't have bothered to stand up. We should just allow the offender to continue to reign unchecked and blame everyone else for his actions.

Actions lead to reactions. Perhaps you should watch each action instead of focusing so blindly on the reaction.
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Frankly, on a discussion forum, verbal assault is pretty subjective, as is judging the off-color nature of someone stating their opinions. We don't *know* each other, thus perception is everything. I don't really consider someone stating an opinion as "verbal assault".
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Frankly, on a discussion forum, verbal assault is pretty subjective, as is judging the off-color nature of someone stating their opinions. We don't *know* each other, thus perception is everything. I don't really consider someone stating an opinion as "verbal assault".
It's about the language we use. If someone falls down the stairs and breaks their arm and another responds "that's so gay", they should understand that the words they selected are not exclusive to their intent. If the words are not exclusive to their intent, they shouldn't be shocked when someone demands clarification.

The same is true with tar baby and other terms with varied spotted history.
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It's not just you so don't assume that it is... I've got better things to do than to start a thread about you.
Well, except that you did.

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You are blaming the person's reaction instead of the offending party.
A person's reaction is their responsibility alone. No one else can possibly be responsible for the reaction someone has to something said. No one. It's not possible. It would require some kind of mental control over a person's body.

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I'm focusing on ALL actions. And each person is responsible for their own actions and reactions. Period. End of story. There is no debate here.

If you disagree, feel free to show me how an individual is NOT responsible for their own actions/reactions. I'd love for you to.
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It's about the language we use. If someone falls down the stairs and breaks their arm and another responds "that's so gay", they should understand that the words they selected are not exclusive to their intent. If the words are not exclusive to their intent, they shouldn't be shocked when someone demands clarification.

The same is true with tar baby and other terms with varied spotted history.
Well, I remember when *gay* meant happy, and it doesn't matter to me that people will selectively choose to be offended if I use it in any manner I mean.
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Well, I remember when *gay* meant happy, and it doesn't matter to me that people will selectively choose to be offended if I use it in any manner I mean.
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Well, except that you did.
False assumption yet again. As I said this isn't about YOU, this is about the mentality of many in that thread.

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A person's reaction is their responsibility alone. No one else can possibly be responsible for the reaction someone has to something said. No one. It's not possible. It would require some kind of mental control over a person's body.
You cannot help how something makes you feel, you can only determine how long you will dwell on it. You, as the speaker, are responsible for avoiding language that can improperly inflate emotions because improperly inflated emotions detract from your message. This goes into the whole theory of negligence.

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I'm focusing on ALL actions. And each person is responsible for their own actions and reactions. Period. End of story. There is no debate here.
No. You dismiss the responsibility of the offending party to be clear and avert problems associated with their speech.

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If you disagree, feel free to show me how an individual is NOT responsible for their own actions/reactions. I'd love for you to.
Unintentional infliction of emotional distress... Look it up.
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Oddly enough, I also recall people using the term "fag" for a cigarette.
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