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Old 08-12-2011, 08:23 PM
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I think there will always be those people you care enough about, that will elicit a response/reaction if they are doing the talking.......... or someone else is talking about them.
And that response would be under your control

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But hey, if you and rivrrat say that you can close your heart and shut of your emotions/reactions in any situation and regardless of who it is.....then y'all would make good contract assassins on your own family members.

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Can you please show the class where anyone said anything about shutting off one's emotions? Please. Love for you to do that. Because I'm pretty ****ing sure I've stated at least 4 or 5 times now that that's NOT what anyone has been talking about. So if you could show us where we said that, that would be helpful.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:34 PM
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Just from what I've seen you write here and your kind/compassionate responses (at times )............I don't think you can.
You can be kind and compassionate without taking on someone else's burdens.

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I think there will always be those people you care enough about, that will elicit a response/reaction if they are doing the talking.......... or someone else is talking about them.
The feelings may be elicited, the response is purposeful and based on personality and understanding of the situation.

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But hey, if you and rivrrat say that you can close your heart and shut of your emotions/reactions in any situation and regardless of who it is.....then y'all would make good contract assassins on your own family members.

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You don't understand what rivrrat and I are talking about, if this is your assessment and summation.
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I give up.


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You can control all of your responses by reaching the point that you understand them.
You can control your responses; controlling your reactions, is a different matter. You can control reactions that you are aware (and concious) of, but there are many un-concious reactions that you are not aware of and, therefore, have no control over.

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That's crap. Either you are the one responsible for your responses or you're not. Saying that a response is unavoidable is simply a way to skirt responsibility for your actions. You may not be able to change how you feel about something, but you can control how you respond to it. The only examples I've read here that try to counter that have either been well refuted as being incorrect or have been examples of autonomic system responses. There is NO emotional stimulus that can force me to respond a certain way. I choose my response. There are certain extreme cases that will short-circuit a lot of my thought processes, but even then, I make a choice to respond. I think that a lot of the confusion stems from this kind of response. There are things that can influence the decision-making process, but that's all they do - INFLUENCE, in the end I am "The Decider".
So all this crap and criticism you've been leveling at Obama, has less to do about the President, but more to do about your chosen reactions to what you've perceived these past 2 years.

Even your statement about "only examples" and "well refuted" as being incorrect, is not necessarily incorrect. It is only your reaction that it is, which may (or may not) be the case.
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It's a lost cause and I knew I shouldn't have even tried again.

Instead of continuing to go around in circles, I think Jabbo said it best a while back.




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Sorry rivrrat, you can't even control your foul language........and you want us to believe that you can control your emotions?

It's obvious that you perceive yourself as being able to have total control of your emotions/feelings, which might actually be driven by a fear of not having total control.

Do you consider yourself (or those that know you)..........a "control freak?"

But hey, I'm not a doctor.....so no need to answer that.

I'm also not going to argue with you any more about it.

I can control that.



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I give up.


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Three cheers for rivrrat if she can get AK Gandy to stop his spinning like a top. Obviously not stopped after the first proclamation that it had.


Of course, he won't see this post since he has me on "ignore". Bwahahaha
Five to one, he responds via proxy. Because he still clicks the "view message" button.
After all, according to him, I am pedantic, hypocritical, and other nefarious things .

Debate victory goes to rivrrat.
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Yeah, our friend lackluster cut me some slack and pointed that out in a very humorous way.

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I must have been chanelling.

That's why in post #182 I said.........
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DOH!!!!

My apologies Lackluster.

It was an excellent point and I should have just quoted the entire post, instead of going by memory.
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Let me try to illustrate what several people have people have been trying to get across to those who refuse to listen. I will make it personal as all get up.

My wife told me recently that she wants a divorce. She wants to move in the boy she met when he was 18 and she was 35 -- the one who has been "just a friend", but who she talks of in terms of "our last night together" when she posts pics of the two of them together at a bar late at night after I had fallen asleep. Yeah, that one.

Did I go out and shoot them? No. Did I post nasty comments on her myspace page? No. I had control over these ACTIONS. What I didn't have control over were my REACTIONS, as my whole limbic system pretty much went in to overdrive as I spent several weeks with no appetite, little, if any attention span, sudden onset of heart murmers and feelings of vertigo. These were reactions I couldn't control, as these were perfectly natural responses to the emotional trauma. Believe me - I would have loved to not be experiencing all that, but try as I might, I simply could not control myself in such a way so as to stop these reactions. I am human, and that is the sort of thing that happens to humans.

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Let me try to illustrate what several people have people have been trying to get across to those who refuse to listen. I will make it personal as all get up.

My wife told me recently that she wants a divorce. She wants to move in the boy she met when he was 18 and she was 35 -- the one who has been "just a friend", but who she talks of in terms of "our last night together" when she posts pics of the two of them together at a bar late at night after I had fallen asleep. Yeah, that one.

Did I go out and shoot them? No. Did I post nasty comments on her myspace page? No. I had control over these ACTIONS. What I didn't have control over were my REACTIONS, as my whole limbic system pretty much went in to overdrive as I spent several weeks with no appetite, little, if any attention span, sudden onset of heart murmers and feelings of vertigo. These were reactions I couldn't control, as these were perfectly natural responses to the emotional trauma. Believe me - I would have loved to not be experiencing all that, but try as I might, I simply could not control myself in such a way so as to stop these reactions. I am human, and that is the sort of thing that happens to humans.

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An excellent (albeit sad) example.

Of course there will be those that say you could have controlled those reactions..... if your really wanted to.

All you had to do is pretend that you don't have a heart or care about being hurt by someone so close.


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