Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > General Discussion > Religion & Philosophy
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Religion & Philosophy Discuss You Are To Blame... at the General Discussion; Originally Posted by dabateman It's about the language we use. If someone falls down the stairs and breaks their arm ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:47 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Shenandoah Valley Virginia
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,451
Thanks: 116
Thanked 553 Times in 426 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
It's about the language we use. If someone falls down the stairs and breaks their arm and another responds "that's so gay", they should understand that the words they selected are not exclusive to their intent. If the words are not exclusive to their intent, they shouldn't be shocked when someone demands clarification.

The same is true with tar baby and other terms with varied spotted history.
You want someone to clarify 'that's so gay' when you use that avatar. Well i pray you are joking.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:48 PM
dabateman's Avatar
Buckle-up Buttercup
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,121
Thanks: 2,113
Thanked 8,454 Times in 4,955 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
Well, I remember when *gay* meant happy, and it doesn't matter to me that people will selectively choose to be offended if I use it in any manner I mean.
If you aren't clear, it is your problem.
__________________
Continue that line of reasoning, Muffin... I'm judging you. Harshly.



You get the respect you give. And if you're a Republican, you b*tch about paybacks being a b*tch. So sorry you're mad your guy is getting the respect you gave ours, Snowflakes.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:49 PM
dabateman's Avatar
Buckle-up Buttercup
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,121
Thanks: 2,113
Thanked 8,454 Times in 4,955 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
You want someone to clarify 'that's so gay' when you use that avatar. Well i pray you are joking.


If by gay you mean homosexual, there is no confusion.
__________________
Continue that line of reasoning, Muffin... I'm judging you. Harshly.



You get the respect you give. And if you're a Republican, you b*tch about paybacks being a b*tch. So sorry you're mad your guy is getting the respect you gave ours, Snowflakes.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dabateman For This Useful Post:
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:49 PM
lizzie's Avatar
Zen Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: a state of being
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,976
Thanks: 4,658
Thanked 3,794 Times in 2,310 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
If you aren't clear, it is your problem.
No, it really isn't. I'm not the one who takes offense.
__________________
"Every morning in Africa, a Gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning a Lion wakes up. It knows it must outrun the slowest Gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a Lion or a Gazelle... when the sun comes up, you'd better be running." -anonymous
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to lizzie For This Useful Post:
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:51 PM
dabateman's Avatar
Buckle-up Buttercup
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,121
Thanks: 2,113
Thanked 8,454 Times in 4,955 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
No, it really isn't. I'm not the one who takes offense.
It's not the offense that is truly the problem, it's the blowback you get from not being clear that is the problem and that directly stems from a lack of clarity.
__________________
Continue that line of reasoning, Muffin... I'm judging you. Harshly.



You get the respect you give. And if you're a Republican, you b*tch about paybacks being a b*tch. So sorry you're mad your guy is getting the respect you gave ours, Snowflakes.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:54 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Shenandoah Valley Virginia
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,451
Thanks: 116
Thanked 553 Times in 426 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
It's not the offense that is truly the problem, it's the blowback you get from not being clear that is the problem and that directly stems from a lack of clarity.
what?

that looks strangely like it is YOUR PROBLEM. hmmm.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:57 PM
rivrrat's Avatar
Queen of Awesomeness
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia
Gender: Female
Posts: 15,833
Thanks: 3,272
Thanked 10,473 Times in 6,022 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dabateman View Post


You cannot help how something makes you feel, you can only determine how long you will dwell on it.
Yes, you can help how you feel. Otherwise, people would never grow and change. Of course we can help how we feel and how we react to things. It's all about perspective and understanding.

Quote:
You, as the speaker, are responsible for avoiding language that can improperly inflate emotions because improperly inflated emotions detract from your message.
No, the speaker is not responsible for how every single person in the ****ing world could or would react to any word or phrase used or the manner in which it is said. To even imply such a thing is beyond retarded. Not to mention, impossible.

Quote:
No. You dismiss the responsibility of the offending party to be clear and avert problems associated with their speech.
Not their responsibility to pander to whiny asses who choose to be offended at every turn.


Quote:
Unintentional infliction of emotional distress... Look it up.
You didn't explain how someone isn't responsible for their own reactions.
__________________


Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.

Gypsy Soul Memories
Scuba Diver Life
My YouTube Channel
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rivrrat For This Useful Post:
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 09:59 PM
lizzie's Avatar
Zen Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: a state of being
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,976
Thanks: 4,658
Thanked 3,794 Times in 2,310 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
It's not the offense that is truly the problem, it's the blowback you get from not being clear that is the problem and that directly stems from a lack of clarity.
But you see, I don't mind the blowback- it's meaningless to me.
__________________
"Every morning in Africa, a Gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning a Lion wakes up. It knows it must outrun the slowest Gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a Lion or a Gazelle... when the sun comes up, you'd better be running." -anonymous
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 10:00 PM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 81,894
Thanks: 55,620
Thanked 26,353 Times in 18,870 Posts
Send a message via AIM to saltwn Send a message via MSN to saltwn Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by alan View Post
Oddly enough, I also recall people using the term "fag" for a cigarette.
I remember it well.

I think the whole country has gotten so desensitized by courser and courser language and actions portrayed upon the big screen and some tv, that there is a progression (or degeneration ) to a whole new standard for what is stated openly. Stuff that used to be said in the privacy of a living room is now broadcast on facebook.
Some people are still of the old school or old social order; some act like they don't even know what you are talking about when you broach the subject.
__________________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."
- Albert Camus
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 08-02-2011, 11:49 PM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,290
Thanks: 6,030
Thanked 8,067 Times in 5,535 Posts
Default Re: You Are To Blame...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
An interesting discussion in another thread has taken a life of its own, and frankly I think the issue deserves discussion beyond the context of that thread.

According to some of our esteemed posters, individuals who are verbally assaulted are responsible for that assault and not the person going on the tirade.

If someone says something off color, it is YOUR fault for seeing the off color aspects of the speech instead of their fault for saying something off color. Or at least that seems to be the argument. This argument was made under the guise of trying to end perpetual victimization, but really it doesn't make much sense.

This is akin to blaming the rape victim or the murder victim of the crime committed against them. Fascinating stuff.


Right now, we're looking after a teenage girl. She has a "No Drama" rule that she's holding to pretty well. Maybe you could try doing the same.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to faithful_servant For This Useful Post:
Reply

Tags
are, blame, you

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0