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Old 11-21-2010, 12:12 PM
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Pope Benedict XVI says in a new book that condoms can be justified for male prostitutes seeking to stop the spread of HIV, a stunning comment for a church criticized for its opposition to condoms and for a pontiff who has blamed them for making the AIDS crisis worse.

The pope made the comments in a book-length interview with a German journalist, "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times," which is being released Tuesday. The Vaticannewspaper ran excerpts on Saturday.

Church teaching has long opposed condoms because they are a form of artificial contraception, although it has never released an explicit policy about condoms and HIV. The Vatican has been harshly criticized for its opposition.

Benedict said that condoms are not a moral solution. But he said in some cases, such as for male prostitutes, they could be justified "in the intention of reducing the risk of infection."

Benedict called it "a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way of living sexuality."

He used as an example male prostitutes, for whom contraception is not an issue, as opposed to married couples where one spouse is infected. The Vatican has come under pressure from even some church officials in Africa to condone condom use for monogamous married couples to protect the uninfected spouse from getting infected.

Benedict drew the wrath of the United Nations, European governments and AIDS activisits when he told reporters en route to Africa in 2009 that the AIDS problem on the continent couldn't be resolved by distributing condoms.

"On the contrary, it increases the problem," he said then.
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Journalist Peter Seewald, who interviewed Benedict over the course of six days this summer, raised the Africa condom comments and asked Benedict if it wasn't "madness" for the Vatican to forbid a high-risk population to use condoms.

"There may be a basis in the case of some individuals, as perhaps when a male prostitute uses a condom, where this can be a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility," Benedict said.

But he stressed that it wasn't the way to deal with the evil of HIV, and elsewhere in the book reaffirmed church teaching on contraception and abortion, saying: "How many children are killed who might one day have been geniuses, who could have given humanity something new, who could have given us a new Mozart or some new technical discovery?"
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He reiterated the church's position that abstinence and marital fidelity is the only sure way to prevent HIV.
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Cardinal Elio Sgreccia, the Vatican's longtime top official on bioethics and sexuality, elaborated on the pontiff's comments, stressing that it was imperative to "make certain that this is the only way to save a life." Sgreccia told the Italian news agency ANSAthat that is why the pope on the condom issue "dealt with it in the realm of ecceptionality."
Well it's a start...
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Well it's a start...
And likely as far as he will go in our lifetime. The church is not keen on birth control but many Catholics ignore the church and go about their business.
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Let's give the fellow his due. He is showing remarkable adaptability for a man of his years, in a profession that is by nature very resistant to alterations in policy.

And, let's remember that this man was decried as an inflexible demagogue by people who knew next to nothing about him from the earliest days of his tenure.
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Seriously, what does the writer of the article find to be so "stunning" about this?
My understanding is that the church is against the use of condoms that prevent impregnation. Maybe the writer of the article doesn't realize that sex between two men can't result in offspring, but the pope does understand that simple concept.
The writer seems to be "stunned" by common knowledge and common sense. Go figure, it's an AP article.
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And likely as far as he will go in our lifetime. The church is not keen on birth control but many Catholics ignore the church and go about their business.
Sex between two men doesn't need to use birth control.
The pope understands that.
It appears that the AP doesn't understand that.
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Haha,
That's two posts where this atheist defended the leader of a religion.
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Sex between two men doesn't need to use birth control.
The pope understands that.
It appears that the AP doesn't understand that.
I may not agree with all of the Pope's policies but he's no dummy. I once respected the AP but in the past few years they've gone down hill...
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I heard one of the talking heads say that some believe the Pope now endorses male prostitution...
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Seriously, what does the writer of the article find to be so "stunning" about this?
My understanding is that the church is against the use of condoms that prevent impregnation. Maybe the writer of the article doesn't realize that sex between two men can't result in offspring, but the pope does understand that simple concept.
The writer seems to be "stunned" by common knowledge and common sense. Go figure, it's an AP article.
This "news" drives me NUTS! The stance of the pope on condoms and contraception has not changed ONE IOTA. His comment was glommed onto out of the context of his meaning. He spoke of the moral growth of the prostitute--caring about the well-being of his "johns". It's not about the morality of using condoms--it's about the dawning of faith/compassion/othr-centeredness in a person's heart. But, all the media et al sees is "rubbers."

Expect to hear much more--and when the pope or the Vatican clarifies/explains, expect a new round of Church bashing to commence.
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This "news" drives me NUTS! The stance of the pope on condoms and contraception has not changed ONE IOTA. His comment was glommed onto out of the context of his meaning. He spoke of the moral growth of the prostitute--caring about the well-being of his "johns". It's not about the morality of using condoms--it's about the dawning of faith/compassion/othr-centeredness in a person's heart. But, all the media et al sees is "rubbers."

Expect to hear much more--and when the pope or the Vatican clarifies/explains, expect a new round of Church bashing to commence.
That's because it isn't news. The words like "stunning" prove it to be the writers opinion, not news.
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