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Bill 09-03-2010 01:47 PM

False prophets, Jehovah Witnesses....
 
Is the watchtower a false prophet??

I think most are familiar w/ that is................

jlarsen 09-03-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill (Post 178462)
Is the watchtower a false prophet??

I think most are familiar w/ that is................

I think JW is a BS religion.

Then again I think ALL organized religions are BS, and headed by false prophets.

But the JWs stole enough of my childhood saturdays, sunday mornings, and tuesday and thursday evenings that I have less angst against the other religions.

The JW religion is not only geographically inconsistent, it morphs throughout time. What might be a tenet of JW ideology today might not be 10 years from now.

I can only imagine what the kooks are up to in the 16 years since I was freed. :rolls

Bill 09-03-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jlarsen (Post 178476)
I think JW is a BS religion.

Then again I think ALL organized religions are BS, and headed by false prophets.

But the JWs stole enough of my childhood saturdays, sunday mornings, and tuesday and thursday evenings that I have less angst against the other religions.

The JW religion is not only geographically inconsistent, it morphs throughout time. What might be a tenet of JW ideology today might not be 10 years from now.

I can only imagine what the kooks are up to in the 16 years since I was freed. :rolls

As you are an X-JW I find you an interesting charter if I may so............ :D

& I do mean that sincerely.......:thumbsup

While I have known & met several I do not really get a chance to talk to them about their experience or theology...............

I studied for a bit w/ them, the Mormons as well but it didn't last to long but it generated an interest in apologetics to go along w/ my interest in history....

I would totally agree that the "society" has changed, morhped if you will, over the decades......... I recall a watchtower article from the 40's or 60's??? Calling this tacking like a sail boat tacks in the wind...

Are you familiar w/ the early history of the movement, Taz & the judge??

jlarsen 09-03-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill (Post 178481)
Are you familiar w/ the early history of the movement, Taz & the judge??

No, I'm only familiar with the fad brand of JWism that was being taught during the 10 years I was prisoner to the "faith."

I know very little of the early history of the movement, and have no desire to learn anymore.

Bill 09-03-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jlarsen (Post 178485)
No, I'm only familiar with the fad brand of JWism that was being taught during the 10 years I was prisoner to the "faith."

I know very little of the early history of the movement, and have no desire to learn anymore.

I can't blame yea & I do appreciate your patience discussing it w/ me here...... I imagine it is not a happy topic.......

As I like history, I think I approach most things from that perspective........ SO goes my interest in "American" music & how it evolved, religion, history etc......

Most JW are aware of the false predictions, 1914 & all that but are grossly unfamiliar of not only how this came about but the foundations & origins of those teaching, starting w/ Russell & the early Millerite movements of the time.........

Taz just took it further down the road & then the Judge ran away w/ it.....

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saltwn 09-03-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill (Post 178462)
Is the watchtower a false prophet??

I think most are familiar w/ that is................

I hesitate to cast aspersions on anyone's faith. What works for some won't jive with others.
As long as the basic concept of Jesus dying and ascending for our sins is there, I don't see any more cultishness in LDS, JW, or Pentecostal than in any other Christian religion:shrug

Bill 09-03-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 178502)
I hesitate to cast aspersions on anyone's faith. What works for some won't jive with others.
As long as the basic concept of Jesus dying and ascending for our sins is there, I don't see any more cultishness in LDS, JW, or Pentecostal than in any other Christian religion:shrug

OK................ SO it does not matter what those words mean, just long as their is agreement??

I think it matter to those ppl...................

The Jesus of Christianity, Orthodox, Coptic, Catholic, Protestant etc is not the same Jesus of the JW's or LDS.............

saltwn 09-03-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill (Post 178503)
OK................ SO it does not matter what those words mean, just long as their is agreement??

I think it matter to those ppl...................

The Jesus of Christianity, Orthodox, Coptic, Catholic, Protestant etc is not the same Jesus of the JW's or LDS.............

Mind you I am not familiar with the entire doctrine of LDS and JW, but from what I gather living in a Mormon state, they certainly believe in JC. They simply also believe there was a later prophet (hence the name "Later Day Saints"). This prophet not only gave them preparation instructions -like put aside a tenth of everything against the day you will need to feed your neighbor. But also told of another Hebrew ancestor. Lost tribe of Israel who came to the mainland North America to find that Jesus had been here too (when he walked the earth 40 days after his Resurrection).:shrug coulda happened:shrug as far as I'm concerned cause after all he is God. Could have done anything he wanted I guess.

JW only take communion once per year. They do not observe Christmas (or I believe Easter) as they feel that is a pagan holiday (which it is) and was never meant to celebrate the birth of Christ which was really in the spring time.

Don't take just my word for it as my knowledge is very limited. Look up the doctrine or theology of JW.
I learned more about the Mormon religion from reading children's literature than anything the missionaries ever tried to explain. The children's books were simple and to the point. :thumbsup

jlarsen 09-03-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill (Post 178492)
I can't blame yea & I do appreciate your patience discussing it w/ me here...... I imagine it is not a happy topic.......

Most JW are aware of the false predictions, 1914 & all that but are grossly unfamiliar of not only how this came about but the foundations & origins of those teaching, starting w/ Russell & the early Millerite movements of the time.........

Taz just took it further down the road & then the Judge ran away w/ it.....

Oh, they aren't all that unhappy. I imagine most people grow up to resent at least some aspect of whatever religious nonsense their parents tried to indoctrinate them into, or at the very least wonder what fun they could have had on a sunday morning if they weren't sitting in some hard-a$$ pew listening to some preacher drone on about a some fairy-tale nonsense.

Anyway, the name Russell and the term Millerite are familiar, and I recognize them as part of JW history, but I don't remember many of the specifics - probably what was being discussed when I was sleeping.

Taz and Judge don't ring a bell, but I think one can go back even farther than Russell and Miller in JW history, if I'm not mistaken. A close friend of mine (and fellow former childhood JW indoctrinee) was showing me more about it online some months back, but I let most of it go out the opposite ear it came in through.

I forget the man's name, but he predated Russell, not exactly credited with starting JWs, but maybe the larger branch of the religion tree upon which it resides. Millerites were mentioned, but I think there was something farther back than that which started the whole thing off.

Bill 09-03-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jlarsen (Post 178513)
Oh, they aren't all that unhappy. I imagine most people grow up to resent at least some aspect of whatever religious nonsense their parents tried to indoctrinate them into, or at the very least wonder what fun they could have had on a sunday morning if they weren't sitting in some hard-a$$ pew listening to some preacher drone on about a some fairy-tale nonsense.

Anyway, the name Russell and the term Millerite are familiar, and I recognize them as part of JW history, but I don't remember many of the specifics - probably what was being discussed when I was sleeping.

Taz and Judge don't ring a bell, but I think one can go back even farther than Russell and Miller in JW history, if I'm not mistaken. A close friend of mine (and fellow former childhood JW indoctrinee) was showing me more about it online some months back, but I let most of it go out the opposite ear it came in through.

I forget the man's name, but he predated Russell, not exactly credited with starting JWs, but maybe the larger branch of the religion tree upon which it resides. Millerites were mentioned, but I think there was something farther back than that which started the whole thing off.

Millerite was a movement that Charles Taz Russell was a part of orginially...... The 7th day adventists & many other came about through this movement..........

I am pretty sure no one came before Charles Taz Russell in the "society" he was the founder....... he started the magazine etc........ The Judge is Judge Rutherford the #2 guy that took over when Russell died.........

While he kept many of the same kooky ideas he made some changes & continued the world is gonna end in 19XX etc...........

After his death is when they instituted the 12 apostles idea w/ no one man in control......


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