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Old 09-04-2010, 09:20 PM
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JW only take communion once per year. They do not observe Christmas (or I believe Easter) as they feel that is a pagan holiday (which it is) and was never meant to celebrate the birth of Christ which was really in the spring time.

Don't take just my word for it as my knowledge is very limited. Look up the doctrine or theology of JW.
You are correct about them not celebrating Easter (also a pagan holiday, in addition to christmas). They also don't celebrate birthdays, as birthdays are a celebration of beginnings and therefore worshiping of the Roman god Janus (god of beginnings).

We were always told that Jesus' birth was definitely not at christmas (which most agree it wasn't) but were always told it was likely in the fall, around September. In fact many christian sects swear that christmas was never meant to celebrate jesus' actual birthday, but that Dec. 25th was chosen not because of pagan conversion (yeah right), but because it was likely around the time or even the actual day of Jesus' conception. The math works out roughly, conceived around christmas - born in September. So it isn't just the JWs that believe Sept. is the rough date of Jesus' birth.
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You are correct about them not celebrating Easter (also a pagan holiday, in addition to christmas). They also don't celebrate birthdays, as birthdays are a celebration of beginnings and therefore worshiping of the Roman god Janus (god of beginnings).

We were always told that Jesus' birth was definitely not at christmas (which most agree it wasn't) but were always told it was likely in the fall, around September. In fact many christian sects swear that christmas was never meant to celebrate jesus' actual birthday, but that Dec. 25th was chosen not because of pagan conversion (yeah right), but because it was likely around the time or even the actual day of Jesus' conception. The math works out roughly, conceived around christmas - born in September. So it isn't just the JWs that believe Sept. is the rough date of Jesus' birth.
Personally I don't see a problem w/ celebrating someones birthday when every you feel like it..........

Justinian was a very wise ruler........... He had a problem of pagan worship on a certain day but he needed the income this holiday produced.......

SO what does a wise ruler do??? Why he makes that same day a Christian holiday & keeps those income producing traditions- gift giving.........

Is maintaining that gift giving tradition wrong??? I don't think the bible says it is wrong...

The trees & all that other pagan stuff- I think that is like eating meat or meat possibly sacrificed to idols etc..........

If you conscience bothers you don't partake.......... If it does not then don't worry about it............

One man holds one day more sacred or better than the rest, another holds all days the same........ Something like that......
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You are correct about them not celebrating Easter (also a pagan holiday, in addition to christmas). They also don't celebrate birthdays, as birthdays are a celebration of beginnings and therefore worshiping of the Roman god Janus (god of beginnings).

We were always told that Jesus' birth was definitely not at christmas (which most agree it wasn't) but were always told it was likely in the fall, around September. In fact many christian sects swear that christmas was never meant to celebrate jesus' actual birthday, but that Dec. 25th was chosen not because of pagan conversion (yeah right), but because it was likely around the time or even the actual day of Jesus' conception. The math works out roughly, conceived around christmas - born in September. So it isn't just the JWs that believe Sept. is the rough date of Jesus' birth.
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Personally I don't see a problem w/ celebrating someones birthday when every you feel like it..........

Justinian was a very wise ruler........... He had a problem of pagan worship on a certain day but he needed the income this holiday produced.......

SO what does a wise ruler do??? Why he makes that same day a Christian holiday & keeps those income producing traditions- gift giving.........

Is maintaining that gift giving tradition wrong??? I don't think the bible says it is wrong...

The trees & all that other pagan stuff- I think that is like eating meat or meat possibly sacrificed to idols etc..........

If you conscience bothers you don't partake.......... If it does not then don't worry about it............

One man holds one day more sacred or better than the rest, another holds all days the same........ Something like that......
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The eventual choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects a convergence of Origen's concern about pagan gods and the church's identification of God's son with the celestial sun. December 25 already hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier. Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the true deity, church leaders decided to commandeer the date and introduce a new festival.

Western Christians first celebrated Christmas on December 25 in 336, after Emperor Constantine had declared Christianity the empire's favored religion.
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Entire explanation is only about a page long.
In AD 529 Emperor Justinian declared Christmas a civic holiday, suspending private and public business activities for that day.
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OK, just for reference, Bill asked me to respond to this topic.

Let me first ask you a question, Bill, before I specifically address yours. Let's say the leaders of the worldwide Christian congregation for a time misunderstand inspired words about when Christ will return, believing it to be within a certain time period, and actually spread this flawed teaching as truth among the congregation. Later, when the misunderstanding is realized, they correct the matter. Does this temporary misunderstanding make them 'false prophets' in your view?


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Is the watchtower a false prophet??

I think most are familiar w/ that is................
What is the watchtower? Seriously- I've never heard of it.
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What is the watchtower? Seriously- I've never heard of it.
Bill uses "Watchtower" to refer to Jehovah's Witnesses, probably more specifically their leadership. It's a name that's been used both for some of their legal organizations and also for their journal.

And "All Along the Watchtower" is a famous Hendrix song.


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