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Well I could agree w/ some of that but not most.......


It started w/ essentially one man, the guy they don't like to talk about Charles T Russell........ He wrote some stuff early on w/ another guy & things kinda took off.........

To make a long story short he promoted himself as a kinda prophet of sorts, which he (he was the society back then) called the faithful & discreet slave found in Mathew...... Note: that is he, not the body or other JW's.......

You know like Smith, Mohammad, Moon, Elijah Mohammad etc...... He was da man.......

They deny this, & for obvious reasons, who wants a founder buried under a pyramid & that was into all that numerology & pyramidology......

Also once the guy up & died what does a prophet lead printing organization do w/ a dead leader?? Who "gives them food in due season" as they like to call it....???

Their second leader changed it from the dead guy to the organization, that just happen to be lead by him.....

So today they say this never happened, like the predictions & all the rest....

They went so far as to attempt to mislead JW's-lied about it.......

They just didn't do it to well...........

I guess for ppl it is easy to rationalize off almost anything......
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Nice speech, my compliments indeed.......

SO will I see you in the thread or not?? watchtower history of deceit & control

I think you will find it interesting..........


So J & TJ have you had a chance to read the book attributed to the founder of the watchtower bible & tract selling society??

You know the society claimed in the 30's that that book book promoted creature worship, but they sure sold lots of them after that........ Even when they said they stopped........... THirty years later they were still selling it......

Perhaps you should read it & see for yourself....

You can buy it on Amazaon or just read it here if you like...

If you have any questions or need help pls hit me up, I will be happy to assist you in any way I can......
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I appreciate that.


The first step in any discussion is to have clearly defined terms. Jumping into a debate over whether or not someone/something is X makes little sense if the parties don't agree on what X means in the first place.

In my view, those who don't make the claim to be infallibly inspired are not false prophets when they attempt to sincerely interpret prophecy found in the Bible. I don't know whether or not you subscribe to that view. If not, we'll just be talking past one another by jumping into specifics.


I have read the thread. But based on my criteria above, the question would then become, were those 'predictions' actually interpretations of prophecy recorded in the Bible or were they prophetic claims made apart from scripture? Did they claim that these 'predictions' were infallible?


This demonstrates perfectly why it is necessary to understand how the terms are being used before drawing a conclusion. Did you notice that the word "prophet" is used with quotation marks when it's applied to modern-day Witnesses? Why do you think that is?

Could you please quote the third paragraph of that article so we can all see from the preceding context what aspect of the term "prophet" is being used in the part you quote above?


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Perhaps in your view, as it is quite convenient but we are discussing the view of your faithful & discreet slave here aren't we???

Are they or are they not a prophet?? Yes or no??

Did they claim/teach to be so??

Here is a nice book I read a while back..... I recommend you read it as well..... (I would like to get you opinion on some of the Jehovah Witness teaching in it)

"The second presence of the Lord began in 1874" (Prophecy, p. 65).

"We may confidently expect that 1925 will bring the return of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the prophets of old..." (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pp. 89, 90). "We should expect Abel, Enoch, Noah etc. shortly after 1925..." (The Way to Paradise, p. 224).

"The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year" (The Watchtower, 1 January 1925, p. 3).

"All we predicted did not come to pass, but Armageddon is now at hand" (Vindication, Book One, pp. 146, 147). "The Kingdom is here, Armageddon is just ahead" (The Messenger, 1 September 1940, p. 6).

"True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date.... Yet, nothing happened. The end did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying" (Awake!, 8 October 1968, p. 23).
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Prophecies of impending doom — based on hard science as well as Scripture — abound. Where does our appetite for retribution come from?
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Times Square and Hollywood Boulevard, cleaned up in recent years, remain icons of depravity, modern Sodom and Gomorrahs full of drugs, prostitution, and pornography, which is why last spring they were among the places one was most likely to come across the billboards set up by ninety-year-old Family Radio personality, retired civil engineer, and end time prophet Harold Camping, announcing, Judgment Day: May 21, 2011… Cry mightily unto God. In 1958, he helped start Family Radio in San Francisco, and since 1961 he has hosted a daily call-in show, Open Forum, on which he answers questions about the Bible. By the time he had Judgment Day: May 21 plastered across the United States, in English and Spanish, Family Radio owned almost 150 radio stations and affiliates and was wealthy enough to invest millions of dollars into disseminating bad news.

Camping cobbled together his idiosyncratic eschatology from his own Biblical calendar, initially published in 1970 as The Biblical Calendar of History. According to him, the world was created in 11,013 BC; the Flood took place in 4,990 BC; and Christ was crucified on Friday, April 1, AD 33. In his most recent works, We Are Almost There! and To God Be the Glory!, he writes that the Rapture would take place on May 21, 2011, immediately transporting the righteous — approximately 3 percent or just over 200 million of the world’s nearly seven billion inhabitants — to heaven. The remainder would be completely annihilated, along with the earth itself, on October 21. When May 21 rolled around, Camping, a twiggish, rail-thin figure with long grey sideburns who looks like an old-time country preacher, retreated to his suburban home in Alameda, California. Meanwhile, clutches of his followers gathered at the Family Radio compound, waiting for the ultimate moment. When the Rapture did not occur and the earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that would torment the earth for five months before its final destruction did not begin, he acknowledged in his folksy way that he was “flabbergasted,” suggesting that an “invisible judgment” had taken place, and anyway the real event was not until October.

While Camping may appear to be a nutty codger embarrassed by the ill-advised precision of his predictions (in June, he suffered a stroke and is still recovering at home, and his talk show has been cancelled), he has plenty of company, especially in the United States. In the nineteenth century, William Miller, an American Baptist preacher from upstate New York, predicted that Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on October 22, 1844. Like Camping, Miller arrived at his prophecy via an ad hoc mix of passages from the Hebrew prophets and a juggling of the Roman and Jewish calendars, but when the date finally arrived — thousands of his followers having sold all their possessions and gathered in fields, eyes turned to the heavens, to await the Rapture — nothing happened. After what has come to be called “the great disappointment,” excuses were made, calculations adjusted, new dates proposed.

Yet the disenchantment that follows unfulfilled predictions of the kind made by Miller, Camping, and others has by no means diminished the public appetite for the Apocalypse. New Age adherents of the 2012 prophecy, which has created an Internet frenzy and a small publishing industry, believe the end of the ancient Mayan calendar, on December 21, 2012, will coincide with the end of the world. Hal Lindsey and Carole C. Carlson’s The Late Great Planet Earth (1970), along with Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins’ Left Behind series, which has sold more than 35 million books, eagerly anticipate the imminent conveyance of believers to heaven, and Armageddon for everyone else. Why all the doom? Why the persistent predictions of volcanic eruptions, mega-earthquakes, tidal waves, new ice ages, the obliteration of life as we know it, and even the annihilation of the earth itself?

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I have thought about starting my own cult & having a end time date but most of the good ones are already taken.......... lol
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