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Old 06-20-2009, 03:57 AM
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Actually, I do...

Obama believes in an international superiority when it comes to foreign policy and spits on American exceptionalism ...To Obama, the United States is nothing more than a country that sits between United Kingdom and Uruguay in the directory of sovereign countries..

Although I don't believe the source, the rationale is completely believable (unfortunately)...
Does he spit on American exceptionalism?

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I'm enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world. If you think about the site of this summit and what it means, I don't think America should be embarrassed to see evidence of the sacrifices of our troops, the enormous amount of resources that were put into Europe postwar, and our leadership in crafting an Alliance that ultimately led to the unification of Europe. We should take great pride in that.

And if you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability.And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.

Now, the fact that I am very proud of my country and I think that we've got a whole lot to offer the world does not lessen my interest in recognizing the value and wonderful qualities of other countries, or recognizing that we're not always going to be right, or that other people may have good ideas, or that in order for us to work collectively, all parties have to compromise and that includes us.
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I will have you know that me and my friends in their 50's still use "Dude"...
How charming... a whole tribe of pot-bellied, graying men holdng on to the fantasy of their youth.

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And your a teenager trying but failing to act like an adult.
oooowwww. The "dude" strikes back. LOL!!
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You think Obama should DO SOMETHING but your "not sure" what.
You don't read well, either... do you?
With $trillions in the budget, I think a few million for the Radio Free programs can probably be found.
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Some people think that sending money will do wonders but It won't be cheap to just brush aside the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Well, since you're stuck on that..
YOU TELL US how much it will cost - you must have a figure in mind.

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After all...Iran IS a theocracy and the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is their true leader. Deal with him not his monkeys...
That doesn't seem to be too effective, either.

It looks like Obama doesn't believe his own rhetoric.
The Radio Free programs make clear to the PEOPLE that there is an alternative.
They encourage HOPE for CHANGE...and that begets action... by the PEOPLE.
That's the only road to real change.
Neither you nor Obama have figured that out.

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I answer your questions while you ignore mine,that pretty much ends the conversation as far as I'm concerned.
The "dude" pouts.
FYI, I've passed the age where I find wanna-be teenagers appealing.
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We also need to ensure that enough "Pro-Democracy" funds are available to Saudi Arabia and Egypt. This is no time to spare any expense,I don't care how much Ron Paul opposes meddling in the affairs and elections of other nations,he's just wrong wrong wrong! ....

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As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.

I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.


I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.--- Ron Paul
But Ron is right about one thing....his admiration for Obama's caution in dealing with this situation...
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The Radio Free programs make clear to the PEOPLE that there is an alternative.
They encourage HOPE for CHANGE...and that begets action... by the PEOPLE.
That's the only road to real change.
Neither you nor Obama e texfigured that out.

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I will point out that the Internet, by iPod or whatever seems more effective nowadays.
Maybe the radio (though I prefer it to television) is a little outdated. After all you have to have antennas. I guess they could get satellite radio but I doubt the government would pay for that.
Seems to me the way communication is getting in or out these days is through things like Twitter.
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I will point out that the Internet, by iPod or whatever seems more effective nowadays.
Maybe the radio (though I prefer it to television) is a little outdated. After all you have to have antennas. I guess they could get satellite radio but I doubt the government would pay for that.
Seems to me the way communication is getting in or out these days is through things like Twitter.
Radio reaches far more people.

Heck, I live in the US and I don't have internet at my home... but I CAN, if the radio's placed just right, get radio stations from Mexico, New Mexico, and California. If I want to drive to the top of the pass I can get Oklahoma.
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Newsmax???....

Obama is in a no win situation here,obviously he is pro-democracy but he doesn't want to meddle in Iranian elections.
He's meddling in the freedoms and liberties of the Iranian people and their right to assemble and protest against the human rights violations taking place. And no there is no other person in the world who should be stepping up to that plate than the President of the United States.

Bill Bennett said it great this morning

"BILL BENNETT, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: He's gotten a little better. He needs to condemn what the government is doing. He needs to say at no uncertain terms, this is very disappointing, as far as I'm concerned. This was the president to whom the whole world was looking. Remember when Barack Obama speaks, the young people of the world listen. This is a president about hope, he's about the future. This is a guy who was a community organizer. He missed it. He missed the opportunity. He was reckless. He behind Angela Merkel who condemned this. He was behind Sarkozy who condemned it. He was behind journalists who condemned it, people like David Ignatius and Jim Hoagland in the "Post" tonight. And finally, he was behind the Congress of the United States, including his own party who used the word condemnation. We are the last best hope of Earth. He is the president of the United States. If he will not side with these young people against a religious autocracy that is beating the hell out of people, what is the point of being the moral leader of the free world?.............

If you look carefully at the statement, it's a nice invocation of King and other great people. But it's still a dial tone. It's still, we are watching. We're an observer. We're a witness. He should be a participant in this. He absolutely should be. And the fist should be the fist of the Statue of Liberty. That's what this country stands for.

And by the way, I would go even further and disagree with the quote you ran of Senator Feinstein. She's been reassured we're not doing anything. We should be doing something. We should be giving these people phone cards and duplication machines and access to Internet that they don't have and cameras and cell phones that the government can't block. We should be on the side of freedom, and not on the side of this, our supreme leader, as our president keeps referring to...................

KING: Whether he's right or wrong, and that debate will continue, are we seeing something we have seen before? We were just having a conversation down in the newsroom and I was reminded by one of our producers, remember back when the Russian action in Georgia and the tensions there were going on and Senator McCain who is out this morning on one of the shows was very critical from the beginning. Senator Obama was more cautious.

And as developments unfolded, President Obama's rhetoric, then Senator Obama's rhetoric, did grow to be more strong. Are we seeing the same kind of thing where he is initially cautious and reserved, and then over time, he moves. And if the answer is yes, as you say it is, is there anything wrong with that?

BENNETT: Yes, there is, because the word besiege reentered our vocabulary before the weekend. These are these armed thugs that the government employs. They were using them much earlier in the week. Yes, you have to call the situation as you can see it. By the way, this argument that Chris Dodd is using, that we will be accused of meddling, we have been accused of meddling. We will be accused of meddling anyway. Britain has been accused of it and the and other countries have been accused of it.

At last then if you're going to be accused of it, make it worthwhile and make it positive. The language -- the last thing that is odd to me is all these people in the Democratic Party sounding like Pat Buchanan. You know, the isolationism, stay out of it. It's their issue. Let's see how this situation evolves. Is it not clear who the good guys and who the bad guys are in this?"
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Bill Bennett said it great this morning
I like what George Will said this morning:
The president is being roundly criticized for insufficient, rhetorical support for what's going on over there. It seems to me foolish criticism. The people in the streets know full well what the American attitude toward the regime is, and they don't need that reinforced. Furthermore, there is an American memory of encouraging things like the Hungarian revolution in 1956 with rhetoric about rolling back communism -- we had balloons float in and drop medals with the Statue of Liberty on it, and leaflets. Came the crunch, there was nothing we could do about it.
And I like what Peggy Noonan said earlier:
To insist the American president, in the first days of the rebellion, insert the American government into the drama was shortsighted and mischievous. The ayatollahs were only too eager to demonize the demonstrators as mindless lackeys of the Great Satan Cowboy Uncle Sam, or whatever they call us this week. John McCain and others went quite crazy insisting President Obama declare whose side America was on, as if the world doesn't know whose side America is on. 'In the cause of freedom, America cannot be neutral,' said Rep. Mike Pence. Who says it's neutral?

This was Aggressive Political Solipsism at work: Always exploit events to show you love freedom more than the other guy, always make someone else's delicate drama your excuse for a thumping curtain speech.
Here's Pat Buchanan:
My view is that it was very, very irresponsible for John McCain to say some of the things he said so early. It was very hot-headed in my judgment. It was impulsive. Can you imagine if the crowds in the streets suddenly were told, 'Look, the Americans are with us. They're behind us 100 percent. Let's try to overthrow the regime,' and then they were cut down by these Revolutionary Guard and their thugs? I think we would bear moral responsibility for having done that, and it would be a disaster. ... I think they've done the right thing.
And here's Henry Kissinger:
Well, you know, I was a McCain supporter and — but I think the president has handled this well. Anything that the United States says that puts us totally behind one of the contenders, behind Mousavi, would be a handicap for that person. And I think it’s the proper position to take that the people of Iran have to make that decision.

Of course, we have to state our fundamental convictions of freedom of speech, free elections, and I don’t see how President Obama could say less than he has, and even that is considered intolerable meddling. He has, after all, carefully stayed away from saying things that seem to support one side or the other. And I think it was the right thing to do because public support for the opposition would only be used by the — by Ahmadinejad — if I can ever learn his name properly — against Mousavi.
Plenty of people on the right (the ones who aren't stooping to take easy cheap shots against the President) are able to see that Obama is handling this correctly. For others, though, the chance to demagogue and grandstand this issue is just too hard to pass up.
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Take a look at this Iranian Intelligence Ministry video:


It's really rather funny -- comical, in fact. But the point is that we can't be seen as giving these kinds of lies any credibility by directly interfering with events in Iran. To do so plays right into the hands of Ahmadinejad and Khamenei, who would like nothing better than to blame us for the demonstrations that threaten to take them down. Obama, at least, is smart enough not to make their task any easier.
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I like what George Will said this morning:
Give the entire commentary if you're going to give any at all.

Do you need me to post all of George Will's commentary, and what Stephan who a polis didn't allow him to say, or will you?


Either way, you're obvously simply giving a blog site regurgitated point of view.

Site your blog sources at least next time.

More telling than there were critics of the Obama meek response, there were NO OBAMA ADVOCATES. In other words, he is waiting for the polls to tell him what he thinks.

Expect a popularist speech sometime on Monday. Predicted here first.
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Give the entire commentary if you're going to give any at all.

Do you need me to post all of George Will's commentary, and what Stephan who a polis didn't allow him to say, or will you?
By all means, post whatever you like.
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Either way, you're obvously simply giving a blog site regurgitated point of view.
If you bother to watch the video you can see he's quoted verbatim.
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Site your blog sources at least next time.
The blue line under Will's name indicates a link. If you click on that you can see the source for yourself.
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More telling than there were critics of the Obama meek response, there were NO OBAMA ADVOCATES. In other words, he is waiting for the polls to tell him what he thinks.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

I just posted four conservatives who are ADVOCATING Obama's course of action.
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Expect a popularist speech sometime on Monday. Predicted here first.
I think you might see some tougher rhetoric from Obama on Thursday after the strike begins. There's no reason for him to needlessly endanger the opposition movement before then.
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