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pjohns 01-06-2022 05:27 PM

Biden's obsession with Trump
 
I will certainly admit that Donald Trump is often rude, nasty, and unnecessarily insulting. No argument there.

But Joe Biden seems to go out of his way to pick a fight with the man, rather than just ignoring him.

He frequently compares what is being done under his own administration with "the previous administration"--to the detriment of the latter.

And just today, Biden angrily claimed that Trump "cares more" about his own "bruised ego" than he cares about American "democracy," or our "Constitution."

This was, of course, in response to the horrid events of January 6, 2021.

Now, I do think that Donald Trump could have requested that the protestors go home, peacefully, sooner than he did.

But as I just said, President Biden seems intent upon picking a fight with the man.

This does not seem especially presidential...

Constant_Slothrop 01-06-2022 05:57 PM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1014267)
I will certainly admit that Donald Trump is often rude, nasty, and unnecessarily insulting. No argument there.

But Joe Biden seems to go out of his way to pick a fight with the man, rather than just ignoring him.

He frequently compares what is being done under his own administration with "the previous administration"--to the detriment of the latter.

And just today, Biden angrily claimed that Trump "cares more" about his own "bruised ego" than he cares about American "democracy," or our "Constitution."

This was, of course, in response to the horrid events of January 6, 2021.

Now, I do think that Donald Trump could have requested that the protestors go home, peacefully, sooner than he did.

But as I just said, President Biden seems intent upon picking a fight with the man.

This does not seem especially presidential...

The prior president spent two months lying about the results of the election in an effort to subvert the Constitution and prevent Biden from taking the office he rightfully won, culminating in a violent attack on Congress by a mob of his supporters, and has never shown one iota of remorse for the harm he did to this country and its institutions, and you think that Biden's the one acting unpresidential? That's laughably insane.

saltwn 01-06-2022 06:23 PM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1014267)
I will certainly admit that Donald Trump is often rude, nasty, and unnecessarily insulting. No argument there.

But Joe Biden seems to go out of his way to pick a fight with the man, rather than just ignoring him.

He frequently compares what is being done under his own administration with "the previous administration"--to the detriment of the latter.

And just today, Biden angrily claimed that Trump "cares more" about his own "bruised ego" than he cares about American "democracy," or our "Constitution."

This was, of course, in response to the horrid events of January 6, 2021.

Now, I do think that Donald Trump could have requested that the protestors go home, peacefully, sooner than he did.

But as I just said, President Biden seems intent upon picking a fight with the man.

This does not seem especially presidential...

Why hide the fact Trump attempted to stay in office by any means?

pjohns 01-06-2022 08:17 PM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 1014278)
Why hide the fact Trump attempted to stay in office by any means?

I think Trump's actions on January 6, 2021 were despicable. (He could have asked the crowd to disperse much earlier than he did.)

But that does not absolve Joe Biden of all blame for his rhetoric over the past year. (In fact, it does not absolve him of any of the blame for that rhetoric.)

saltwn 01-06-2022 09:10 PM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1014285)
I think Trump's actions on January 6, 2021 were despicable. (He could have asked the crowd to disperse much earlier than he did.)

But that does not absolve Joe Biden of all blame for his rhetoric over the past year. (In fact, it does not absolve him of any of the blame for that rhetoric.)

Some people don't think he has done enough.

AZRWinger 01-07-2022 07:12 AM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 1014278)
Why hide the fact Trump attempted to stay in office by any means?

Because Trump didn't try to stay in office by any means. He looked at legal options for protesting and potentially overturning a corrupt election. Despite the media’s persistent lies and insistence on it there was no insurrection on January 6th nor any Trump attempt to remain in power illegally. :thumbsup

Immediately following the announcements Trump had won the Presidency Democrats began an unrelenting campaign in Congress, the executive branch and in the streets with frequent violence to overturn the election. That's conveniently ignored in the pearl clutching over the January 6th protests. That's not an excuse for what happened on January 6th when a small group forced their way into the Capitol building and a larger number of mostly peaceful protesters made their way in some invited by the Capitol police. :rolls

AZRWinger 01-07-2022 07:31 AM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1014285)
I think Trump's actions on January 6, 2021 were despicable. (He could have asked the crowd to disperse much earlier than he did.)

But that does not absolve Joe Biden of all blame for his rhetoric over the past year. (In fact, it does not absolve him of any of the blame for that rhetoric.)

It's easy to condemn Trump for not calling for the protesters to leave sooner with the advantage of perfect hindsight. Had Trump issued an immediate declaration to withdraw the headlines would have been "Panicked Trump Calls Off Coup Attempt" as if he commanded the protesters. :rolls

Of course if Obama had acted promptly to help the Americans besieged by terrorists at Benghazi instead of retiring to the family quarters in the WH it would have sent a message the US is committed to defending its personnel stationed overseas as outposts of the Republic.

But hey, the Bad Orange man is always in the wrong. ;)

Constant_Slothrop 01-07-2022 08:48 AM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1014285)
I think Trump's actions on January 6, 2021 were despicable. (He could have asked the crowd to disperse much earlier than he did.)

But that does not absolve Joe Biden of all blame for his rhetoric over the past year. (In fact, it does not absolve him of any of the blame for that rhetoric.)

Trump's action prior to January 6 were equally reprehensible, as have been his actions since. He has continued to lie about the election results and has continued to defend the rioters who attacked Congress on his behalf. If anything, Biden should have been harsher in his condemnation of Trump's anti-American bullshlt.

Constant_Slothrop 01-07-2022 08:53 AM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 1014299)
It's easy to condemn Trump for not calling for the protesters to leave sooner with the advantage of perfect hindsight. Had Trump issued an immediate declaration to withdraw the headlines would have been "Panicked Trump Calls Off Coup Attempt" as if he commanded the protesters. :rolls

Jesus ****ing Christ. Everyone with an ounce of common sense knew immediately that what was happening in the Capitol on January 6 was reprehensible and should have been condemned, and that the only person who possibly could have been effective at stopping the rioters by issuing an immediate condemnation was Donald Trump. It wasn't hindsight. There were a chorus of people making that argument even as the attack was just beginning, including lots of prominent conservatives and Republicans. As I've said, Trump's responsibility for what happened that day began long before January 6, but he had the ability to mitigate the damage and he chose not to exercise it. He, and those like you bending over backwards to defend his actions and to dismiss the seriousness of what happened that day, are enemies of American democracy.

pjohns 01-07-2022 12:10 PM

Re: Biden's obsession with Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 1014287)
Some people don't think he has done enough.

I am assuming that the antecedent of "he" is Biden--and not Trump.

If that is the case, are you in the "some people" group?

And, if so, just what would you suggest that Joe Biden could do--and should do?


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