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Old 01-07-2022, 06:20 PM
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Because Trump didn't try to stay in office by any means. He looked at legal options for protesting and potentially overturning a corrupt election. Despite the mediaís persistent lies and insistence on it there was no insurrection on January 6th nor any Trump attempt to remain in power illegally.

Immediately following the announcements Trump had won the Presidency Democrats began an unrelenting campaign in Congress, the executive branch and in the streets with frequent violence to overturn the election. That's conveniently ignored in the pearl clutching over the January 6th protests. That's not an excuse for what happened on January 6th when a small group forced their way into the Capitol building and a larger number of mostly peaceful protesters made their way in some invited by the Capitol police.
What is you evidence of that?
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I am assuming that the antecedent of "he" is Biden--and not Trump.

If that is the case, are you in the "some people" group?

And, if so, just what would you suggest that Joe Biden could do--and should do?
no but I don't find his mention of the perpetrator weird or off balance.
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Jesus ****ing Christ. Everyone with an ounce of common sense knew immediately that what was happening in the Capitol on January 6 was reprehensible and should have been condemned, and that the only person who possibly could have been effective at stopping the rioters by issuing an immediate condemnation was Donald Trump. It wasn't hindsight. There were a chorus of people making that argument even as the attack was just beginning, including lots of prominent conservatives and Republicans. As I've said, Trump's responsibility for what happened that day began long before January 6, but he had the ability to mitigate the damage and he chose not to exercise it. He, and those like you bending over backwards to defend his actions and to dismiss the seriousness of what happened that day, are enemies of American democracy.
Now you condemn Trump for not obeying the advice of FNC commentators? Democrats and their media stooges had been hammering the President accusing him of being their lackey since the moment he came down the escalator but with perfect hindsight and based on the unfounded assumption the protesters were Trumpís to command, it's obvious.

Democrats continue to shamelessly push a time-line that begins with the last 15 minutes of his speech to the rally. The fact that protesters were already making entry to the Capitol while the President was speaking, calling for peaceful protests shows they were not his to command. But hey, Orange man bad doesn't care about the truth.

The live TV coverage of January 6th looped the same scenes of clashes with the Capitol police with hysterical commentary repeating the same polemics describing the event as the most violent attack on the Capitol since 1812, clearly a lie. These are the same "news" organizations with a fondness for describing the BLM/Antifa rioters as mostly peaceful despite the towering conflagration in the background. Meanwhile videos of the Capitol police holding the doors open to usher in protesters took weeks to emerge.

The House select lynch mob claims their mission is to thoroughly investigate the events of January 6th but they have made no attempt to unlock the thousands of hours of video recordings hidden away by the speakers office. They offer no reason for their disinterest in provocateurs like Ray Epps who mysteriously vanished from the FBI most wanted list once his identity was known.
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Now you condemn Trump for not obeying the advice of FNC commentators? Democrats and their media stooges had been hammering the President accusing him of being their lackey since the moment he came down the escalator but with perfect hindsight and based on the unfounded assumption the protesters were Trump’s to command, it's obvious.

Democrats continue to shamelessly push a time-line that begins with the last 15 minutes of his speech to the rally. The fact that protesters were already making entry to the Capitol while the President was speaking, calling for peaceful protests shows they were not his to command. But hey, Orange man bad doesn't care about the truth.

The live TV coverage of January 6th looped the same scenes of clashes with the Capitol police with hysterical commentary repeating the same polemics describing the event as the most violent attack on the Capitol since 1812, clearly a lie. These are the same "news" organizations with a fondness for describing the BLM/Antifa rioters as mostly peaceful despite the towering conflagration in the background. Meanwhile videos of the Capitol police holding the doors open to usher in protesters took weeks to emerge.

The House select lynch mob claims their mission is to thoroughly investigate the events of January 6th but they have made no attempt to unlock the thousands of hours of video recordings hidden away by the speakers office. They offer no reason for their disinterest in provocateurs like Ray Epps who mysteriously vanished from the FBI most wanted list once his identity was known.
The timeline of Trump’s incitement of the insurrection began in November 2020. It wasn’t just his speech on January 6 that incited the mob. It’s was his two months of lies about a stolen election.
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The timeline of Trumpís incitement of the insurrection began in November 2020. It wasnít just his speech on January 6 that incited the mob. Itís was his two months of lies about a stolen election.
Talk about nonresponsive answers. Again, I layout facts and you respond with unfounded polemics.
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Talk about nonresponsive answers. Again, I layout facts and you respond with unfounded polemics.
Lol. You posted a bunch of propaganda nonsense. Trump is complicit in and morally responsible for the catastrophe of January 6, 2021. Mitch McConnell agrees with that. Kevin McCarthy agrees with that (although he now pretends he never repeatedly said that). Mitt Romney agrees with that. Those who continue to deny it are enemies of American democracy.
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Lol. You posted a bunch of propaganda nonsense. Trump is complicit in and morally responsible for the catastrophe of January 6, 2021. Mitch McConnell agrees with that. Kevin McCarthy agrees with that (although he now pretends he never repeatedly said that). Mitt Romney agrees with that. Those who continue to deny it are enemies of American democracy.
More vapid rhetoric from you. Can't make the case for insurrection so now you shift to the faux moral judgement. Yeah sure, moral judgement from the Democrat party that brazenly features the rotting corpse of Harry Reid, the king of Congressional corruption who thought nothing of repeating false partisan slander from the Senate floor, using his sons as proxy lobbyists to whore out his office and shamelessly perverting Senate procedures to advance partisan ends.

Of course you will respond with another fact free rant of pathetic attacks against the Bad Orange man "full of sound and fury signifying nothing" to quote a phrase.
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The timeline of Trumpís incitement of the insurrection began in November 2020. It wasnít just his speech on January 6 that incited the mob. Itís was his two months of lies about a stolen election.
I'd argue it started well before that. I remember when Trump repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that there were millions of illegal votes in the 2016 election. You know, the one he won. His garbage ego couldn't deal with losing the popular vote, despite winning.

His administration even set up some bogus voter fraud commission which of course shut down once nobody could come up with the mass fraud he kept saying was out there. And before a single vote was counted in the 2020 election, he was out there saying the only way he'd lose is if "they" stole the election. He would come back to this refrain throughout his campaign, dude was sowing the seeds of something bad well before November.

Far as Biden and "obsession" goes, two things:

1. Referring to a previous administration's record isn't new, and not uncommon especially during the 1st two years of president's tenure. I mean you've got to show progress for the midterms lol, whatever they may be. Biden wasn't the first and won't be the last, however you feel about it.

2. Mayhaps if Trump werent a constant whiner, liar and a fraud who incited a riot at the Capitol because he lost his reelection, there'd be less to "obsess" about. If any of this is coming from President Biden's speech a couple of days ago commemorating the 1/6 riots and correctly blaming Trump for his role in all of this, too bad?
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I'd argue it started well before that. I remember when Trump repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that there were millions of illegal votes in the 2016 election. You know, the one he won. His garbage ego couldn't deal with losing the popular vote, despite winning.

His administration even set up some bogus voter fraud commission which of course shut down once nobody could come up with the mass fraud he kept saying was out there. And before a single vote was counted in the 2020 election, he was out there saying the only way he'd lose is if "they" stole the election. He would come back to this refrain throughout his campaign, dude was sowing the seeds of something bad well before November.

Far as Biden and "obsession" goes, two things:

1. Referring to a previous administration's record isn't new, and not uncommon especially during the 1st two years of president's tenure. I mean you've got to show progress for the midterms lol, whatever they may be. Biden wasn't the first and won't be the last, however you feel about it.

2. Mayhaps if Trump werent a constant whiner, liar and a fraud who incited a riot at the Capitol because he lost his reelection, there'd be less to "obsess" about. If any of this is coming from President Biden's speech a couple of days ago commemorating the 1/6 riots and correctly blaming Trump for his role in all of this, too bad?
In the run up to the election the Democrats top election fixer, Marc Elias proud of his reputation of doing anything to win, was conducting a lawfare campaign aimed at destroying election integrity measures like signature verification and voter ID requirements targeting swing states. Despite the Constitutional requirement that state legislatures are the only ones with authority to make election laws Democrats succeeded in getting election officials and sympathetic Governors to bypass election integrity laws by imperial decrees supposedly necessitated by the pandemic.

Democrats maintain the fiction of their so-called emergency election measures doing no harm but have launched an all out campaign to nationalize election laws under Federal control to spare themselves the trouble of using the judiciary to circumvent the Constitution. As is typical of Marxist authoritarian regimes emergency powers once taken are never relinquished.
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The prior president spent two months lying about the results of the election in an effort to subvert the Constitution and prevent Biden from taking the office he rightfully won, culminating in a violent attack on Congress by a mob of his supporters, and has never shown one iota of remorse for the harm he did to this country and its institutions, and you think that Biden's the one acting unpresidential? That's laughably insane.
Whoa.... more drama....now it was a violent attack on Congress.
I hope all those Congressman and women have recovered. I'm sure the dry cleaners are still busy cleaning their soiled clothes.

Congress is elected by the American people, so why not just say that Trump and his supporters violently attacked everyone in America?

Wow, I guess it WAS just like Pearl Harbor and 9-11 and probably planned with far more enthusiasm.
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