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President Biden has, at last, remarked upon the upheaval in Cuba--"We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime," he declared Monday (7/12/21)--but that seems like too little, too late.

And too little, especially.

For one thing, the Cuban regime is not merely "authoritarian"--it is totalitarian. (Yes, there is a difference.)

Moreover, my own preference--by far--would be for President Biden to have let the Cuban people know, explicitly, that the US stands ready to assist them militarily, if that is what they desire.

This is certainly not a radical stance. In fact, it is essentially no different than the stance taken by JFK almost 60 years ago, when the Soviets attempted to install missiles in Cuba.
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President Biden has, at last, remarked upon the upheaval in Cuba--"We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime," he declared Monday (7/12/21)--but that seems like too little, too late.

And too little, especially.

For one thing, the Cuban regime is not merely "authoritarian"--it is totalitarian. (Yes, there is a difference.)

Moreover, my own preference--by far--would be for President Biden to have let the Cuban people know, explicitly, that the US stands ready to assist them militarily, if that is what they desire.

This is certainly not a radical stance. In fact, it is essentially no different than the stance taken by JFK almost 60 years ago, when the Soviets attempted to install missiles in Cuba.
And really no different than what Bush 41, did with IRAQ or what Clinton did with Kosovo.
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And really no different than what Bush 41, did with IRAQ or what Clinton did with Kosovo.
Had to walk away before Iwas done...;

How many nations have we laid out blood and treasure under Bush 41, Bush 43, Clinton#1 and Clinton #2 along with Obama, and yet we have never put it out for the people of Cuba.


BTW,
How many nations did we "help" with new invasions during Trump?
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We are not especially adept at nation-building; I would rather we not even try.

But we should try to help ensure that a nation is not overcome with totalitarianism; or, if it is already under its boot, we should help it (if it wishes) to secure its freedom.
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President Biden has, at last, remarked upon the upheaval in Cuba--"We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime," he declared Monday (7/12/21)--but that seems like too little, too late.

And too little, especially.

For one thing, the Cuban regime is not merely "authoritarian"--it is totalitarian. (Yes, there is a difference.)

Moreover, my own preference--by far--would be for President Biden to have let the Cuban people know, explicitly, that the US stands ready to assist them militarily, if that is what they desire.

This is certainly not a radical stance. In fact, it is essentially no different than the stance taken by JFK almost 60 years ago, when the Soviets attempted to install missiles in Cuba.
you went too far so let me first say what it is not. It is not the same as Russia putting missiles on Cuba.
I agree we should stand with people who want to have the freedom to throw off an oppressive regime. So far though they haven't asked for our help.
It would have been better for all if we had continued our end of the embargo with Cuba. That would have done more to bring freedom and peace to the island country than anything as they saw the benefits of world trade. Alas that potential peace was interrupted. Now we watch and wait.
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you went too far so let me first say what it is not. It is not the same as Russia putting missiles on Cuba.
Actually, it is.

We should let other major powers know that we will not stand for a totalitarian country just 90 miles from our shore. (Yes, I realize that it has been there for 62 years--since the Castro-spearheaded communist revolution in 1959--but we should try to strangle it. No, not the Cuban people--just the totalitarian regime there.)

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It would have been better for all if we had continued our end of the embargo with Cuba. That would have done more to bring freedom and peace to the island country than anything as they saw the benefits of world trade.
This is the liberal worldview: Why, just open up totalitarian countries to the world--for them to see the benefits of "free trade"--and they will suddenly unleash the shackles they have placed upon their people.

Could you direct me, please, to some examples of this having happened?
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Actually, it is.

We should let other major powers know that we will not stand for a totalitarian country just 90 miles from our shore. (Yes, I realize that it has been there for 62 years--since the Castro-spearheaded communist revolution in 1959--but we should try to strangle it. No, not the Cuban people--just the totalitarian regime there.)
Russia was the aggressor and we stopped them. Peacefully. This is a citizen uprising.

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This is the liberal worldview: Why, just open up totalitarian countries to the world--for them to see the benefits of "free trade"--and they will suddenly unleash the shackles they have placed upon their people.

Could you direct me, please, to some examples of this having happened?
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An old man in a country devastated by political tactics which WORKED, were both ready for change. stump came along and messed that up. they could have already been trade partners with us and other free countries. but nooooo...we have to keep the cold war going on this tiny island country.
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Russia was the aggressor and we stopped them. Peacefully. This is a citizen uprising.

An old man in a country devastated by political tactics which WORKED, were both ready for change. stump came along and messed that up. they could have already been trade partners with us and other free countries. but nooooo...we have to keep the cold war going on this tiny island country. [/QUOTE]

Obama went out of his way to cozy up to Castro's brutal regime even attending a baseball game in Cuba with government officials representing a regime that routinely imprisons political opponents for lengthy sentences under inhuman conditions. Something the Marxist Democrats running the Joe Biden figurehead are working to emulate in the US.

The genius diplomatic corps of the Obama administration fashioned a sham free trade agreement where the Cuban totalitarian government received foreign exchange payments for goods and services then paid the Cuban merchants in Cuban pesos at the government dictated exchange rate. This arrangement approved by the Obama administration and endorsed by the Biden regime acts to strengthen the Castro dictatorship.

The Biden regime has a hard time admitting admitting the Cuban people are revolting against the same Marxist policies and political repression they tout as necessary reforms to protect the Republic. Marxist Democrats look at Cuban ersatz elections where the Castro dictatorship routinely receives 90% or more of the vote as a model for permanently entrenching their power.
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Russia was the aggressor and we stopped them. Peacefully. This is a citizen uprising.
And just what chance do you suppose that this "citizen uprising has," since the citizens' guns have all been confiscated?

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An old man in a country devastated by political tactics which WORKED, were both ready for change. stump came along and messed that up. they could have already been trade partners with us and other free countries. but nooooo...we have to keep the cold war going on this tiny island country.
Forget about Cuba, please.

Can you point me to any other country in which it has worked, to simply open it up to free trade--thereby prompting the leaders to release the shackles upon the citizens, and relinquish its totalitarian nature?

Just one will do.
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And just what chance do you suppose that this "citizen uprising has," since the citizens' guns have all been confiscated?



Forget about Cuba, please.

Can you point me to any other country in which it has worked, to simply open it up to free trade--thereby prompting the leaders to release the shackles upon the citizens, and relinquish its totalitarian nature?

Just one will do.
Obama's unilateral trade agreement with the Cuban dictator was a big wet kiss for the repressive regime lauded by ersatz US socialists like Bernie Sanders. In Cuba foreign exchange payments for exports or tourism has to be made to the Cuban government which then "reimburses" the merchant in Cuban pesos. Not only does this foster government corruption it severely limits Cuban ability to purchase imports. It's anything but free trade.
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