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The President & the Executive Branch Discuss Groups sue Trump and White House to stop destruction of administration records at the Political Forums; https://www.citizensforethics.org/le...ation-records/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...it-historians/ https://www.businessinsider.in/polit...w/79586671.cms https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eserve-records Historians and watchdog groups sued the Trump administration again over its alleged failure to preserve White ...

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https://www.citizensforethics.org/le...ation-records/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...it-historians/

https://www.businessinsider.in/polit...w/79586671.cms

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eserve-records

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Historians and watchdog groups sued the Trump administration again over its alleged failure to preserve White House records.

“With President Trump’s term in office soon coming to an end,” the White House’s flouting of record-keeping requirements could deprive historians and the public “of records documenting a critical part of our nation’s history,” the groups said in a complaint filed Tuesday in federal court in Washington.


The Presidential Records Act, passed in the wake of the Watergate scandal of the 1970s, designates all White House records as public and requires that they be preserved.

“The actions of the president since losing the election -- unrestrained by truth and facts -- have heightened concerns that he will destroy records of his ‘potential malfeasance and crimes,’” the historians said in their complaint.

Three of the groups that filed the complaint -- the National Security Archive, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations -- filed a similar suit in 2019 that was thrown out this year. One group that wasn’t part of the first case is the American Historical Association.

“The Trump Administration acts in accordance with statutory requirements,” White House spokesman Judd Deere said.

The new complaint takes particular aim at the use of WhatsApp and private email accounts by the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner. WhatsApp sends encrypted text messages that can only be viewed by the sender or receiver.

Kushner claims he takes screenshots of his WhatsApp messages, whose recipients have reportedly included Saudi Arabia’s Mohammed Bin Salman and Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, and sends them to his White House messaging account, where they are preserved.


But the historians say that isn’t enough. A screenshot doesn’t preserve “a complete copy of the original message” because it does not include metadata, attachments, and other digital artifacts “needed to authenticate the message,” according to the suit.

In rejecting the previous suit, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson said Congress would have to make changes to the Presidential Records Act before the federal courts would be able to compel compliance.

The new case is National Security Archive v. Trump, 20-cv-03500, U.S. District Court, District of Columbia (Washington).
cooking the evidence of his ineptness and dishonesty
who will write his history? looks like he'd want to preserve all that winning.
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Three of the groups that filed the complaint -- the National Security Archive, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations -- filed a similar suit in 2019 that was thrown out this year.
This is commonly known as "judicial harassment...
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This is commonly known as "judicial harassment...
As a lover of history, I am appalled Trump is getting away with destroying Presidential history. no conversations between him and staff, cabinet, congress, or foreign heads of state should be deleted or shredded or not kept. No actions he takes as President are to be hidden from public disclosure even if that's at a later date. That law came into affect as a result of the Nixon era.
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No actions he takes as President are to be hidden from public disclosure even if that's at a later date. That law came into affect as a result of the Nixon era.
UNLESS it's your political love interest...the LORD-GOD MESSIAH Barack Obama...Then it's "different"....

Obama admin spent $36M on lawsuits to keep info secret

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The Obama administration in its final year in office spent a record $36.2 million on legal costs defending its refusal to turn over federal records under the Freedom of Information Act, according to an Associated Press analysis of new U.S. data that also showed poor performance in other categories measuring transparency in government.

For a second consecutive year, the Obama administration set a record for times federal employees told citizens, journalists and others that despite searching they couldn’t find a single page of files that were requested.

And it set records for outright denial of access to files, refusing to quickly consider requests described as especially newsworthy, and forcing people to pay for records who had asked the government to waive search and copy fees.
So under Obama, no one could (golly gosh darn it!) even FIND material requested through Freedom of Information Acts, but Jared Kushner took screenshots of his texts and that's not good enough!!! Evil!!!!!!!!....
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Washington— As President Trump’s term draws to a close, we face an increasing risk that historically valuable records of his presidency will be permanently lost in violation of records laws, according to a new lawsuit filed by the National Security Archive, the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations, the American Historical Association, and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. By adopting a policy that allows White House personnel to capture and preserve only portions of electronic messages they send or receive on unofficial messaging accounts, the White House is permitting the loss and destruction of Presidential record material.

This is part of a larger pattern of the President and the White House ignoring, if not flouting, their obligation to create and preserve records memorializing official actions and decisions. With the President facing potential legal and financial exposure once he leaves office, there is a growing risk that he will destroy records of his presidency before leaving. The lawsuit seeks relief that would prevent the President from destroying records during his remaining time in office.

“The Presidential Records Act exists for a simple reason: to prevent presidents and their staff from destroying historically valuable records. By deleting or preserving only parts of these records, the White House is destroying essential historical records,” said CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder. “The American people deserve not only to know how their government is making important decisions, but to understand what was going on behind closed doors and what we could do better in the future.”

The groups are challenging an official White House policy that allows White House personnel to preserve as official Presidential records “screenshots” of records sent on non-official messaging platforms.But as guidance from the National Archives and Records Administration makes clear, screenshots that do not capture a message’s metadata are not “complete copies” as the Presidential Records Act requires. Senior White House Advisor Jared Kushner, in particular, has admitted using non-official messaging accounts like WhatsApp to conduct official White House business, relying on screenshots alone to satisfy his recordkeeping obligations. As a result, the public faces the loss of important Presidential records unless this policy is rescinded and the White House takes steps to capture all record material before the President’s term ends.

“The American Historical Association’s Congressional charter tasks us with the responsibility to promote historical studies and monitor the collection and preservation of historical materials. This includes advocating for the integrity of presidential records, which reveal the functioning of every aspect of the executive branch—from policy consideration to policy implementation. Research rooted in these materials provides an unparalleled look inside an administration’s activities that would, if absent, leave the world wholly reliant upon the memoirs and memories of those whose deeds we professionally investigate and evaluate,” said American Historical Association Executive Director James Grossman.

“Presidential records are always at risk because the law that’s supposed to protect them is so weak,” said National Security Archive Director Tom Blanton. “The Archive, historians, and CREW are suing to put some backbone in the law, and prevent any bonfire of records in the Rose Garden.”

“For the purpose of creating a ‘usable past’ for generations of future citizens, the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations is gravely concerned with preserving the integrity of the Trump administration’s records. In light of the administration’s previous violations of the Presidential Records Act, it consequently judges it essential to take legal action to prevent any efforts to destroy records or otherwise fail to retain them in their entirety. It welcomes the opportunity to join with like minded organizations in pursuing this goal,” said SHAFR’s Historical Documentation Committee Chairman Richard Immerman.

The PRA requires the president and his staff to document, preserve and maintain records of “the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the president’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties.” In 2017, the White House Counsel issued two memos reminding all White House personnel of their obligation to preserve and maintain official government records. But despite that warning, the White House also adopted the screenshotting policy that conflicts directly with its preservation obligations.

This is not the first time CREW, National Security Archive and Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations have taken action against the Trump administration for failing to adhere to its recordkeeping obligations. In June 2017, the trio filed a lawsuit challenging the use by White House officials of encrypted apps to communicate about official business that erase messages as they are read. More recently, in May 2019, the three groups filed a lawsuit alleging that President Trump violated the Presidential Records Act by failing to create records of his key meetings and communications with foreign leaders, including Vladmir Putin and Kim Jong-Un.

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are you serious?
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Once again, words matter. The headlines are extremely deceptive, putting forth that the current administration is plowing ahead and destroying records that they legally shouldn't.

This is the pathetic games the media plays, and some swallow it hook line and sinker.
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are you serious?
lame
So.....what do you have to say about Obama doing the same things?

I was here 4 years ago, and I don't remember you complaining about him.

But then again, I doubt that the media cared to tell you about it, I guess
that is the difference. If the MSM doesn't talk about it, it didn't happen, right?
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One of the big "concerns" is the loss of metadata from from some communications. Of course when Hillary destroyed the metadata for all of her email conversations it was excused as unintentional. But hey, Orange man bad so the rules are different.
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Once again, words matter. The headlines are extremely deceptive, putting forth that the current administration is plowing ahead and destroying records that they legally shouldn't.

This is the pathetic games the media plays, and some swallow it hook line and sinker.
trump has a habit of acting covertly. we have no records of his meeting with putin. we would have to get them from putin
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