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Old 11-21-2020, 07:26 AM
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Actually, there is a difference. The Obama campaign was assessed a civil fine. That wasn't a crime. Michael Cohen went to prison for criminal violations of federal campaign laws, a crime he committed at the direction of Trump.
Cohen was already on his way to prison having pled guilty to other crimes unrelated to President Trump. The campaign finance violation was tacked on at a time when Cohen would have confessed to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if he thought it would have reduced his jail time. Mentioning someone in an indictment doesn't make that person guilty. Of course a prosecutor gratuitously indicting the President is ok as long as it's the bad Orange man.
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Old 11-21-2020, 08:12 AM
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good article i've seen on this issue
Losing Could Expose Trump to Prosecution for Any Number of Crimes
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/...s-prosecution/
Even if President Donald Trump loses on November 3, it’s hard to imagine that he’ll ever be convicted of any crime, much less serve time in prison.

That’s because, first and foremost, no former U.S. president has ever seen the inside of a cell — and not because all presidents have faithfully followed the law. Presidents accumulate huge favors owed, favors that they cash in, figuratively and literally, when they become former presidents. On the modest end of the spectrum, 20 wealthy friends of Ronald Reagan bought a mansion in Bel-Air, Los Angeles, for him and Nancy to live in when he left office. More significantly, ex-presidents receive political protection from their allies, as when Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon for anything whatsoever he’d done in office.

And beyond anything concrete that a president does for the factions that back him, those factions also strenuously oppose any consequences for their president’s actions for reasons of basic class solidarity. If an ex-president can face consequences, that would suggest that people one step down the power ladder could too. And the people at the top of U.S. society see consequences like Leona Helmsley saw taxes: They’re for the little people...
He goes on to put 6 "crimes" on the table.
Tax Fraud, Bank and Insurance Fraud, Campaign Finance Violations, Bribery, Negligent Homicide (covid1984), Obstruction of Justice.

none of which seem to rise or exceed levels of crimes of several other previous presidents. And/OR they don't have solid foundations and evidence to try the run uphill to prosecute a former president.
A "pardon" makes no sense. Over the pass 30 years incoming admins have used the line. "well it's time for us to move on", "it's time to heal the country" and "what good would it do?" then simply left the blood on the floor of the previous gang. If GW BUSH can literally walk away from torture and war crimes I'm not sure how the that list of grubby political and financial "crimes" are supposed to land Trump in a cell.

One line in the Article that's funny to me talks about Kamala Harris possibly moving on some Trump prosecution one day. Sure.
The image of her laughing at Stephen Colbert's questions about her previous harsh criticism of Biden and replying "...it was just a debate..." shows me that she really doesn't give a crap about any of it. It's all just power politics and she plays the game. And will only play the -prosecute Trump card- if it adds to her side of the political power ledger.
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Cohen was already on his way to prison having pled guilty to other crimes unrelated to President Trump. The campaign finance violation was tacked on at a time when Cohen would have confessed to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln if he thought it would have reduced his jail time. Mentioning someone in an indictment doesn't make that person guilty. Of course a prosecutor gratuitously indicting the President is ok as long as it's the bad Orange man.

All of Cohen's crimes he went to jail for were made through the employment and of benefit to Donald Trump:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae...e%20violations.
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OK, so what are Trump's horrible federal crimes exactly... specifically.
the article doesn't mention any...
other than just being Donald Trump.
could be charged with
tax fraud
Bank and Insurance Fraud
Campaign Finance Violations
Bribery
Negligent Homicide
Obstruction of Justice
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/...s-prosecution/

also possible is * Re-Impeachment
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Add to that~

Call it what it is: an attempted coup
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All of Cohen's crimes he went to jail for were made through the employment and of benefit to Donald Trump:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae...e%20violations.
So while certain groups were screaming 'liar liar pants on fire' and demanding he be put in jail, the minute he may claim something that fits a certain groups narrative, you couldn't hear a cricket.

Hypocrisy much?
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OK, so what are Trump's horrible federal crimes exactly... specifically.
the article doesn't mention any...
other than just being Donald Trump.
Democrats will make sure that History reflects the things that they "Believe" Trump did. And the stupid things he "Said" while in office. They will also try to blame him for the Chinese Virus

They will not be able to down play, or dis-credit him for the things that actually got done under his administration, because they know people
will say,..... "What's bad about that?"
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