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All White Nationalists are racists.

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White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity. Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation. White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost.

Analysts describe white nationalism as overlapping with white supremacism and white separatism. White nationalism is sometimes described as a euphemism for, or subset of, white supremacism, and the two have been used interchangeably by journalists and analysts. White separatism is the pursuit of a "white-only state"; supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to nonwhites and should dominate them, taking ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism. White nationalists generally avoid the term "supremacy" because it has negative connotations.

Most American white nationalists say immigration should be restricted to people of European ancestry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

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Adherents of white nationalist groups believe that white identity should be the organizing principle of the countries that make up Western civilization. White nationalists advocate for policies to reverse changing demographics and the loss of an absolute, white majority. Ending non-white immigration, both legal and illegal, is an urgent priority — frequently elevated over other racist projects, such as ending multiculturalism and miscegenation — for white nationalists seeking to preserve white, racial hegemony.
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I think it's fair to say that we can finally start calling Trump's MAGA rallies what they really are: White Nationalist Rallies - especially after Trump came clean and admits he is a (White) Nationalist, while seconds earlier bashing the Globalists (Jews).
https://crooksandliars.com/2018/10/t...te-nationalist

That President Trump is a racist has been so well documented that it's not even in dispute by any rational person. Being a racist can be condemned but it doesn't rise to the level of being a White Nationalist that threatens the national identity and national security of the United States.

Trump made it very clear that his immigration policy is based upon White Nationalism (White Supremacy).

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WASHINGTON (AP) — In bluntly vulgar language, President Donald Trump questioned Thursday why the U.S. would accept more immigrants from Haiti and “****hole countries” in Africa rather than places like Norway, as he rejected a bipartisan immigration deal, according to people briefed on the extraordinary Oval Office conversation.

Trump specifically questioned why the U.S. would want to admit more people from Haiti. As for Africa, he asked why more people from “****hole countries” should be allowed into the U.S., the sources said.

The president suggested that instead, the U.S. should allow more entrants from countries like Norway.
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/01/11...ole-countries/

American history is based upon refugees fleeing from a humanitarian crisis in their native country. People fleeing as refugees from a humanitarian crisis for any reason are arguably coming from a "S-Hole" country. They're not coming from "paradise" where no humanitarian crisis exists. Our immigration providing preference for refugees is embodied in our immigration laws where, under the provisions of the Refugee Act of 1980, up to 270,000 refugee applicants plus their family members listed on the application of asylum, can be allowed into the United States each year and those applicants are not required to meet any of the other criteria for normal immigration into the United States.

Historically refugees have been admitted because of persecution by the government or by criminal elements in the society or because of natural disasters and famine. The cause for the humanitarian crisis that causes people to flee as refugees is unimportant when it comes to granting them asylum based upon established precedent.

President Trump, based upon his own words, disparages allowing refugees from non-white countries that are facing a humanitarian crisis in their "S-hole" country and instead seeks to allow immigration for non-humanitarian reasons from white countries.

We have a crisis on our Southern border with illegal immigration for the purpose of seeking asylum predominately by refugees facing a humanitarian crisis in three Central American countries. In compliance with the provisions of the Refugee Act of 1980 every single one of these refugee households could have been granted asylum and lawfully admitted into the United States. Trump, based upon his racist White Nationalist beliefs, denied them lawful entry into the United States. They weren't white and in compliance with the ideology of White Nationalism, they were denied lawful entry into the United States.

Instead they were forced to often make a life threatening journey just so that they could legally apply for asylum once they entered the United States. The number of deaths by those attempting to enter the United States has skyrocketed under President Trump's refusal to allow asylum to refugees at a port of entry. President Trump's policies based upon White Nationalism is responsible for these deaths.

For those that make the journey and can finally apply for asylum, that they have a right to do under our immigration law, they are then subjected to the inhumane, illegal, and unconstitutional treatment during detention where no reasons exist for their detention. They don't represent a threat to the American people and don't represent a threat of flight by leaving the United States.

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David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, is unambiguous about what Saturday’s alt-right and neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, means to him: It’s the fulfillment of President Donald Trump’s vision for America.

“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”

Duke has remained a faithful Trump supporter since then, insisting that the president-elect’s policies line up with the former KKK leader’s vision for America.
https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/161383...david-duke-kkk

As David Duke points out we basically have a de facto leader of the KKK and Neo-Nazis as the president of the United States. Trump's White Nationalist immigration policy, supported by the KKK and Neo-Nazis, that's resulted in a humanitarian crisis has turned the United States into a "S-hole" country.
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Yes and also, if the left could quit referring to David Duke from a 2016 article and trying to tie that evil mans theology to Trump, that'd be great.
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That President Trump is a racist has been so well documented that it's not even in dispute by any rational person.
Well, I suppose that you would not consider me to be a "rational person," then.

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American history is based upon refugees fleeing from a humanitarian crisis in their native country. People fleeing as refugees from a humanitarian crisis for any reason are arguably coming from a "S-Hole" country. They're not coming from "paradise" where no humanitarian crisis exists.
This, in and of itself, is not sufficient reason for us to take them in.

No other country is so generous as the US, when it comes to legal immigration. But the amount of people that we can take in is certainly not infinitely flexible.

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President Trump, based upon his own words, disparages allowing refugees from non-white countries that are facing a humanitarian crisis in their "S-hole" country and instead seeks to allow immigration for non-humanitarian reasons from white countries.
President Trump's phraseology was not nearly so elegant--or so eloquent--as I would have preferred.

That said, however, it is a real stretch to conclude--with no evidence--that the actual reason that President Trump disparages immigration from these countries is because their citizens are mostly non-white.

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[These people] were forced to often make a life threatening journey just so that they could legally apply for asylum once they entered the United States.
So why didn't they apply for asylum in Mexico (which, after all, was prior to their arriving in the US)?

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As David Duke points out we basically have a de facto leader of the KKK and Neo-Nazis as the president of the United States. Trump's White Nationalist immigration policy, supported by the KKK and Neo-Nazis, that's resulted in a humanitarian crisis has turned the United States into a "S-hole" country.
You speak as though this is a convertible proposition: The onetime "leader of the KKK" supports President Trump; therefore, President Trump must support the KKK.

Say what?
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Yes and also, if the left could quit referring to David Duke from a 2016 article and trying to tie that evil mans theology to Trump, that'd be great.
How about tying Senior White House advisor Stephen Miller's White Nationalist immigration policies to Donald Trump. Miller is, after all, the architect of Trump's immigration policies.

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Stephen Miller is obsessed with demographics and all of his major policy achievements, from the Muslim travel ban to the “zero tolerance” child separation program, have focused on implementing policies that keep new immigrants out while expelling those already here.

These policies include:

Implementing a Muslim travel ban (which Stephen Miller wrote)

Turning away asylum-seekers at the border, even women and children fleeing violence, even though this is a violation of international law

Separating and detaining children at the United States-Mexico border

Deporting mothers and fathers who have lived in the U.S. for decades, who have U.S. citizen children, and who have committed no crimes

Cancelling temporary protected status (TPS) for the hundreds of thousands of immigrant-Americans that the program protects

Drastically reducing the number of refugees admitted by the United States

Eliminating the diversity visa

Changing “legal” immigration routes like family migration so that visas for family members are slashed in half
https://americasvoice.org/blog/steph...e-nationalist/

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"I would be happy if not a single refugee foot ever again touched American soil." -- Stephen Miller

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"Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?" --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338
The United States providing asylum for refugees goes back to before our nation was founded and Stephen Miller opposes this most "American" of all our ideals because it allows non-white people into the United States.

We can go on to Jeff Sessions that also expressed his white nationalist ideology by embracing the Immigration Act of 1924 that was the last of the racist immigration laws, starting with the Chinese Exclusion Act, that fundamentally blocked all immigration except from Western Europe.
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That President Trump is a racist has been so well documented that it's not even in dispute by any rational person.
Well, I suppose that you would not consider me to be a "rational person," then.
Always respecting your opinion perhaps I should have been more clear. A rational person that's informed about Trump's history of racist actions and statements that goes back to his adopting the racism of his father in the 1970's can reach no other conclusion than that Trump has always been a racist and today is the standard bearer for (White) Nationalism (that he openly admitted to being)

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American history is based upon refugees fleeing from a humanitarian crisis in their native country. People fleeing as refugees from a humanitarian crisis for any reason are arguably coming from a "S-Hole" country. They're not coming from "paradise" where no humanitarian crisis exists.
This, in and of itself, is not sufficient reason for us to take them in.

No other country is so generous as the US, when it comes to legal immigration. But the amount of people that we can take in is certainly not infinitely flexible.
Based upon a per capita and GDP basis, the two primary criteria determining how many refugees a country can accommodate, the United States is arguably not the most generous country when comes to refugee asylum.

We don't allow an unlimited number of refugees. The Refugee Act of 1980 set a limit of 270,000 applicants plus dependents on the application as the maximum number per year. That wasn't the maximum we could reasonably assimilate but it is the maximum established under the law.

Under the Refugee Act the President is required to estimate the number of refugees anticipated for the following year and submit a request to Congress for the visas and budget necessary so that they can be lawfully admitted into the United States and receive the services of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

Instead of following the law so that refugees from Central America can be lawfully admitted, within the limitations of the law, the Trump administration has cut refugee admissions at ports of entry to less than 20% of what Congress had authorized forcing tens of thousands to illegally cross our border to apply for asylum.

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President Trump, based upon his own words, disparages allowing refugees from non-white countries that are facing a humanitarian crisis in their "S-hole" country and instead seeks to allow immigration for non-humanitarian reasons from white countries.
President Trump's phraseology was not nearly so elegant--or so eloquent--as I would have preferred.

That said, however, it is a real stretch to conclude--with no evidence--that the actual reason that President Trump disparages immigration from these countries is because their citizens are mostly non-white.
Trump compared the S-Hole countries (of black and brown people) to Norway (of white people). If that isn't a racist comparison then no racist comparisons exist. Of interest in defending/denying Trump's S-Hole remarks the White House issued the following:

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Reached for comment about the article, White House spokesperson Raj Shah did not deny the "****hole" remark, but instead said in a statement that Trump "is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/polit...ump/index.html

This is interesting because we have a person that came as a child to the United States as a refugee. Her family was involved in civil service and education in her native country and they were highly supportive of democracy. Upon coming here she was harassed by racist students telling her to "go back home" but instead she became a US citizen making the United States her home. In 2016 she was elected to her state legislature and in 2018 she was elected to the House of Representatives receiving 78% of the vote. She's contributed more to our society than the vast majority of native born Americans, as a politician she's helped grow our economy, and has unquestionably assimilated into our great nation.

Her name is Ilhan Omar and she's one of the four Congressional women of color, and the only one that's a naturalized citizen, that Donald Trump has told to go back home while falsely claiming that she hates America because she condemns Donald Trump's actions and policies as President.

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So why didn't they apply for asylum in Mexico (which, after all, was prior to their arriving in the US)?

You speak as though this is a convertible proposition: The onetime "leader of the KKK" supports President Trump; therefore, President Trump must support the KKK.

Say what?
Two things about Mexico.

First of all the US State Department has travel advisories because of the very dangerous conditions predominately caused by crime syndicates. Many of the refugees from Central America are fleeing the same criminal violence in their native countries that they would experience in Mexico.

Tens of thousands of refugees from Central America have accepted asylum in Mexico pressing the ability of Mexico to assimilate all of them. Mexico doesn't have the population and GDP to accept as many of the refugees as the United States and we're not accepting even a faction of the number we can easily assimilate.

I didn't claim that Trump supported the KKK. What I claimed is that Donald Trump, the KKK, and the Neo-Nazis all support White Nationalism (aka White Supremacy). As the President of the United States Donald Trump is unquestionably the leader of White Nationalism/White Supremacy in the United States.
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All White Nationalists are racists.


That President Trump is a racist has been so well documented that it's not even in dispute by any rational person. Being a racist can be condemned but it doesn't rise to the level of being a White Nationalist that threatens the national identity and national security of the United States.

Trump made it very clear that his immigration policy is based upon White Nationalism (White Supremacy).

American history is based upon refugees fleeing from a humanitarian crisis in their native country. People fleeing as refugees from a humanitarian crisis for any reason are arguably coming from a "S-Hole" country. They're not coming from "paradise" where no humanitarian crisis exists. Our immigration providing preference for refugees is embodied in our immigration laws where, under the provisions of the Refugee Act of 1980, up to 270,000 refugee applicants plus their family members listed on the application of asylum, can be allowed into the United States each year and those applicants are not required to meet any of the other criteria for normal immigration into the United States.

Historically refugees have been admitted because of persecution by the government or by criminal elements in the society or because of natural disasters and famine. The cause for the humanitarian crisis that causes people to flee as refugees is unimportant when it comes to granting them asylum based upon established precedent.

President Trump, based upon his own words, disparages allowing refugees from non-white countries that are facing a humanitarian crisis in their "S-hole" country and instead seeks to allow immigration for non-humanitarian reasons from white countries.

We have a crisis on our Southern border with illegal immigration for the purpose of seeking asylum predominately by refugees facing a humanitarian crisis in three Central American countries. In compliance with the provisions of the Refugee Act of 1980 every single one of these refugee households could have been granted asylum and lawfully admitted into the United States. Trump, based upon his racist White Nationalist beliefs, denied them lawful entry into the United States. They weren't white and in compliance with the ideology of White Nationalism, they were denied lawful entry into the United States.

Instead they were forced to often make a life threatening journey just so that they could legally apply for asylum once they entered the United States. The number of deaths by those attempting to enter the United States has skyrocketed under President Trump's refusal to allow asylum to refugees at a port of entry. President Trump's policies based upon White Nationalism is responsible for these deaths.

For those that make the journey and can finally apply for asylum, that they have a right to do under our immigration law, they are then subjected to the inhumane, illegal, and unconstitutional treatment during detention where no reasons exist for their detention. They don't represent a threat to the American people and don't represent a threat of flight by leaving the United States.


https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/161383...david-duke-kkk

As David Duke points out we basically have a de facto leader of the KKK and Neo-Nazis as the president of the United States. Trump's White Nationalist immigration policy, supported by the KKK and Neo-Nazis, that's resulted in a humanitarian crisis has turned the United States into a "S-hole" country.
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Your continued idiocy of slapping the word 'white' in front of a statement made, shows blatantly that you have one direction and one direction only, sort of like a lemming. Learn what words really mean, and put away the paintbrush, even though your leaders want you to believe that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with their ideology is an evil white supremacist, and that any mention of patriotism, or not kotowing to the belief that anyone with lighter skin is guilty of horrifying crimes against all other civilizations, want other people to die, screaming in the streets.

Read, and actually understand what illegal immigration does to the economy, and to the populace. And by reading, I mean actual history, not that gutted, laundered stuff.
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How about tying Senior White House advisor Stephen Miller's White Nationalist immigration policies to Donald Trump. Miller is, after all, the architect of Trump's immigration policies.


https://americasvoice.org/blog/steph...e-nationalist/

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The United States providing asylum for refugees goes back to before our nation was founded and Stephen Miller opposes this most "American" of all our ideals because it allows non-white people into the United States.

We can go on to Jeff Sessions that also expressed his white nationalist ideology by embracing the Immigration Act of 1924 that was the last of the racist immigration laws, starting with the Chinese Exclusion Act, that fundamentally blocked all immigration except from Western Europe.
The alleged Steven Miller quote is a sensational claim by a former WH aide Cliff Sims to generate sales for his tell all scandal mongering book. Naturally it is touted as if it's a direct quote by the blind Resistance zealots.

The Jefferson quote is a nice touch but he was referring to refugees from the French revolution not the US having open borders to the world. President Monroe would later veto a bill to provide aid to French revolution refugees stating he could no lay a finger on the passage of the Constitution that allowed the Federal government to provide this kind of aid.
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In 2016 [Ilhan Omar] was elected to her state legislature and in 2018 she was elected to the House of Representatives receiving 78% of the vote.
Wikipedia says that "[t]he 5th district [of Minnesota--i.e. her district] is the most Democratic district in Minnesota and the Upper Midwest."

So it is hardly a surprise that she easily defeated her Republican opponent (after having won the Democratic primary with 48.2 percent of the vote).

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She's contributed more to our society than the vast majority of native born Americans...
Well, she has certainly "contributed" to the leftward march of a portion of our society...

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[A]s a politician she's...unquestionably assimilated into our great nation.
Are you certain that you understand the difference between assimilation and multiculturalism?

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Many of the refugees from Central America are fleeing the same criminal violence in their native countries that they would experience in Mexico.
Are you suggesting that there are no criminal gangs in the US?

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Tens of thousands of refugees from Central America have accepted asylum in Mexico pressing the ability of Mexico to assimilate all of them.
This would certainly be impressive, if true.

But where is your proof (preferably, from a neutral source)?

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I didn't claim that Trump supported the KKK. What I claimed is that Donald Trump, the KKK, and the Neo-Nazis all support White Nationalism (aka White Supremacy). As the President of the United States Donald Trump is unquestionably the leader of White Nationalism/White Supremacy in the United States.
And where is your proof that President Trump "unquestionably" favors "White Supremacy"?
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