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Old 06-08-2019, 07:36 PM
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I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....

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....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...o-deal-845969/

With Mexico's help President Trump is claiming that the flow of immigrants across the border between the US and Mexico is going to be eliminated or greatly reduced. This will end the current emergency where over 100,000 immigrants seeking asylum have been forced to illegally cross the border in the last couple of months to apply for asylum after being denied their right to apply at a US port of entry.

Trump says that problem is now solved by the agreement he reached with Mexico and we didn't need a border wall to end the emergency. Think of how many tens of billions of dollars President Trump has saved us with his great negotiating skills using the threat of tariffs.

I can't say I agree with some of the provisions such as forcing asylum seekers back to Mexico to wait for their immigration hearings.

How are those asylum seekers to obtain legal counsel for their immigration hearings when the lawyers are in the US and the asylum seekers are in Mexico?

This also has results in Office of Refugee Resettlement being cut out of the process to relocate asylum seekers where there are the resources to support them and where they can settle down without fear if these refugees are sent back to Mexico.

Mexico has also proven to be a humanitarian crisis when dealing with the arriving migrant refugees seeking asylum so how is the humanitarian crisis going to end if Mexico still has to deal with the new refugees arriving that seek asylum plus the ones that made it to the US and were allowed to apply for asylum and then being sent back to Mexico? It's a crisis that promises to get worse than it's ever been before.

One of the greatest threats to these migrant refugees has been Mexican gangs that have preyed upon the migrants. The US sending asylum seekers back to Mexico where Mexican gangs are going to terrorize them doesn't seem like a solution to the problem they left where violent gangs in their native country threatened them. Taking a person out of one gang threat of violence and putting them into another situation of gang violence doesn't seem like asylum to me.

But who am I to say. Trump has declared the problem of illegal border crossings solved by his agreement with Mexico. Now he can end his declared emergency and end his call for a wall that he never needed.
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This will end the current emergency where over 100,000 immigrants seeking asylum have been forced to illegally cross the border
"There's NO emergency!!!!!!!! It's MANUFACTURED!!!!!!"

"The emergency that doesn't exist is OVER!!!!!!!"

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This will end the current emergency where over 100,000 immigrants seeking asylum...

I can't say I agree with some of the provisions such as forcing asylum seekers ...

How are those asylum seekers...

...cut out of the process to relocate asylum seekers...

...the new refugees arriving that seek asylum...

The US sending asylum seekers back to Mexico...
This is the funniest...

No one is bad!!!! The are ALL innocent lambs!!! They're SEEKING ASYLUM!!!!...It's true because we said so a GAZILLION TIMES!!!!!!...

If this was the major leagues, Rolling Stone would be banned for putting their propaganda on steroids...
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Default Re: Great News - Trump ends illegal immigration emergency

Never mind that over 90% of asylum applications are rejected. Turn them loose into the US.

Democrats are constantly whining about how they favor comprehensive immigration reform including securing the border yet when Trump acts to curtail the flow of immigrants being passed through Mexico to our doorstep it's greeted with sarcastic derision.

The Democrat plan is cut the number of detention beds available to CBP by 40% and abolish ICE. No border, no wall, no USA at all.
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This is the funniest...

No one is bad!!!! The are ALL innocent lambs!!! They're SEEKING ASYLUM!!!!...It's true because we said so a GAZILLION TIMES!!!!!!...

If this was the major leagues, Rolling Stone would be banned for putting their propaganda on steroids...
No one's ever claimed that everyone illegally crossing is innocent of any criminal activities. What we do know is that of those seeking asylum the vast majority aren't criminals and have no intention of ever becoming criminals. In the recent flood of over 100,000 illegal border crossings I've read that 80% were refugees seeking asylum and, with rare anecdotal exceptions, they're not a threat to the American people.

We also know that they wouldn't be crossing the border illegally if the BCP was allowing them to apply for asylum when they arrive at a US Port of Entry in compliance with the Refugee Act of 1980. Last year the BCP only allowed 22,000 refugees to apply for asylum at a Port of Entry even though they could have allowed over 100,000. Considering the crisis in Central America we should raise our quota for refugees to 250,000 or more which would reduce the number of illegal border crossings by perhaps 80% and arrests or detention would be unnecessary.

Reduce the number of illegal border crossings by refugees and then the CBP can focus it's resources on the "bad guys" illegally entering the US.

Refugees are not a threat and should be allowed to apply for asylum at a Port of Entry and then allowed into the United States. Criminals are a threat and they're blocked from entering at a Port of Entry so they cross the border illegally. Stop forcing refugees to illegally enter the United States so they can legally apply for asylum and start arresting criminals that illegally cross our border with criminal intent.
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Never mind that over 90% of asylum applications are rejected. Turn them loose into the US.

Democrats are constantly whining about how they favor comprehensive immigration reform including securing the border yet when Trump acts to curtail the flow of immigrants being passed through Mexico to our doorstep it's greeted with sarcastic derision.

The Democrat plan is cut the number of detention beds available to CBP by 40% and abolish ICE. No border, no wall, no USA at all.
Actually I believe that the number is 80% of asylum seekers applications are rejected but that's due several factors. The government's prosecutors in asylum applications is adversarial and attempts to have all applications rejected.

These are professional prosecutors going up against predominately unrepresented people from a foreign country so the odds are already stacked against the refugee because they're incapable of providing a legal defense.

Then we have a Department of Justice that, under a directive from former AG Jeff Sessions, believed that being murdered or raped by members of a criminal gang is acceptable so send them back while being raped or murdered by members of a government is less acceptable so only send half of them back.

The tyranny and oppression in Central America is from the uncontrolled gangs that the governments are not able to control. It doesn't matter if a person is raped or murdered by a gang member or a member of government the act of rape and murder is identical. What kind of A-hole would create a deportation enforcement policy to send anyone back to a place where they would be raped or murdered by anyone? Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump are that kind of A-holes because that's what they're doing.

It reminds me of our dark history when it comes to refugees seeking asylum.

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World War II prompted the largest displacement of human beings the world has ever seen—although today's refugee crisis is starting to approach its unprecedented scale. But even with millions of European Jews displaced from their homes, the United States had a poor track record offering asylum. Most notoriously, in June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami, forcing the ship to return to Europe; more than a quarter died in the Holocaust

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President Trump is fighting against lawful immigration to the United States. The Refugee Act of 1980 allows refugees to apply for asylum at a US port of entry and then to be allowed into the United States while their case is being adjudicated. Under Trump the refugees are being turned away at the US ports of entry by the tens of thousands.

Democrats actually have a policy position on immigration. Have you ever read it?

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People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers.

That is why the Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. Immigration is not a problem to be solved, it is a defining aspect of the American character and history. We must defend against those who would exclude or eliminate legal immigration avenues and denigrate immigrants.

Those immigrants already living in the United States, who are assets to their communities and contribute so much to our country, should be incorporated completely into our society through legal processes that give meaning to our national motto: E Pluribus Unum.
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/dnc_platform.pdf

This is an immigration policy based upon our historical support for immigration that also contains the constraints necessary so that immigrants can be assimilated into our American culture and way of life.

I've never read a recent Republican policy statement on immigration that can be used for reforming our immigration laws. Have you?

Democrats and Republicans passed bipartisan legislation to improve our border security. Any claim that Democrats don't support border security is contradicted by the facts. President Obama had the highest deportation numbers of any president and he did so based upon pragmatic enforcement of our immigration laws.

Donald Trump's is opposed to legal immigration. At Steven Miller's direction (Miller controls Trump's White Nationalist immigration policy) the Trump administration has called for cutting legal immigration in half. Eliminating family values and diversity from our immigration policies. He wants to end or severely limit refugee immigration (that literally has the highest priority in our immigration laws).

Trump has only endorsed immigration for foreigners that would permanently fill high paying jobs that Americans can fill in the future. He's condemned black immigration from "S-Hole" countries while endorsing white immigration from countries like Sweden. He's called Hispanic immigrants "criminals and rapists" stating that Hispanic immigrants are "infesting" the United States. He's referred to Muslims as terrorists while calling for all Muslims to be prohibited from immigrating to the United States. Trump has banned some Muslim immigration based upon national origin ignoring the Department of Homeland Security finding that national origin cannot be used as a criteria in evaluating if someone is a terrorist.

Trump's positions and actions related to immigration are antithetical to everything the United States has ever stood for. They're based upon Steve Miller's White Nationalist/White Supremacist agenda to prevent non-whites/non-Protestants from immigrating to the United States. He fosters fear in the white community instead of reflecting the true value that immigrants have always represented to the United States culturally and economically.

So go out and find me a Republican immigration policy today that reflects American values like the Democrats have done. Go find that and we can discuss it. Until then you don't have an argument against Democrats that have proposed immigration reform based upon our values as a nation.
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In the meantime, people waiting legally to come here must relinquish their place to the ass holes "seeking asylum", as they and their liberal weenie advocates say.
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In the meantime, people waiting legally to come here must relinquish their place to the ass holes "seeking asylum", as they and their liberal weenie advocates say.
No, they don't. Refugees and asylum seekers are a special category of immigrants that don't affect the immigration status of those coming based upon family, diversity, and/or employment.

The United States only allows less than one-half of the immigration we could easily absorb. It's commonly accepted that an immigration rate of up to 3% of population can be assimilated into our culture and economy which would allow over 9 million immigrants to enter the United States annually. I believe we're at less than 3 million currently.

Of course the United States can directly influence the number of refugees seeking asylum by addressing the problems in their native countries that force them to flee as refugees. Instead of doing that the Trump administration has been cutting off aid to these countries making matters even worse.
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No, they don't. Refugees and asylum seekers are a special category of immigrants that don't affect the immigration status of those coming based upon family, diversity, and/or employment.

The United States only allows less than one-half of the immigration we could easily absorb. It's commonly accepted that an immigration rate of up to 3% of population can be assimilated into our culture and economy which would allow over 9 million immigrants to enter the United States annually. I believe we're at less than 3 million currently.

Of course the United States can directly influence the number of refugees seeking asylum by addressing the problems in their native countries that force them to flee as refugees. Instead of doing that the Trump administration has been cutting off aid to these countries making matters even worse.
You missed the point of the quotation marks ("seeking asylum"). Those interlopers just want to come here for the freebies. Don't bother rebutting with "they do not get any freebies", and "they add much to the economy".
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Of course the United States can directly influence the number of refugees seeking asylum by addressing the problems in their native countries that force them to flee as refugees. Instead of doing that the Trump administration has been cutting off aid to these countries making matters even worse.
Sounds like a suggestion that we pay a ransom to these socialist shytholes to prop up their corrupt governments and help them subsidize the oppression of their own native populations.
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