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Old 06-12-2019, 08:46 AM
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No, they don't. Refugees and asylum seekers are a special category of immigrants that don't affect the immigration status of those coming based upon family, diversity, and/or employment.

The United States only allows less than one-half of the immigration we could easily absorb. It's commonly accepted that an immigration rate of up to 3% of population can be assimilated into our culture and economy which would allow over 9 million immigrants to enter the United States annually. I believe we're at less than 3 million currently.

Of course the United States can directly influence the number of refugees seeking asylum by addressing the problems in their native countries that force them to flee as refugees. Instead of doing that the Trump administration has been cutting off aid to these countries making matters even worse.
The US spends billions on processing asylum applications, 90% are rejected. These funds could have been used to process applications for legal immigrants.

You are so right, the US can influence the number of people applying for asylum. Just last week we saw a video of illegal immigrants from Africa walking around the end of a partially completed section of security wall. Had Resistance Democrats not mindlessly obstructed construction out of partisan hatred the wall would have prevented illegal entry. They would have been forced to apply at a port of entry.

If not for the opposition of Resistance Democrats and Republicans in Congress our asylum laws could be reformed to take away the incentive to cross illegally.

The US can also continue to press Mexico to enforce their own immigration and human trafficking laws as well as enter in to a safe third country agreement so immigrants claiming to flee oppression will have a safe haven in the country. The can continue to press Mexico to investigate and arrest human traffickers posing as caravan organizers as they did last week. The FBI could be tasked with investigating organizations like Pueblos sin fronteras engaged in a criminal conspiracy to smuggle people illegally accross our border.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:01 AM
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You missed the point of the quotation marks ("seeking asylum"). Those interlopers just want to come here for the freebies. Don't bother rebutting with "they do not get any freebies", and "they add much to the economy".
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Poverty Myth: Immigrants Come to the US to Use Welfare
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Immigrants are less likely than native-born Americans to use welfare programs and don’t even qualify for welfare benefits in most cases. Not only don’t immigrants come to the US to use welfare, but in many cases potential immigrants must prove their financial independence before even qualifying for a visa, making them far less likely to need support than native-born Americans.

This is a myth that has been getting a lot of attention lately, with some of the highest elected officials in the land arguing that we must curb legal immigration so that immigrants can’t, in the words of Donald Trump, “Come in and just immediately go sign up for welfare.” [1]

False claims like that one are based on studies which have shown that a majority of “immigrant households” use some kind of social welfare program – but these claims are based on a statistical sleight of hand that misrepresents reality.

So, what is meant by an “immigrant household” then? Well, according to the census a household is a group of people living together under the same roof. A household is labeled an “immigrant” household if the “head of household” is an immigrant – even if everyone else in the household is a citizen. Moreover, a “head of household” is simply whoever happens to respond when the census taker comes and knocks on the door, no matter if they are the primary earner for the family.

Many immigrants have children who are citizens – and citizens are legally able to apply to any program in our social safety net. A child who is a citizen might qualify to receive Medicare, for instance, while their parents do not. In a study looking at households, this would be counted as an immigrant household (because of the parents) receiving a benefit (because of the kids) – despite the fact that, again, no non-citizen is actually receiving government assistance.

So using “households” instead of “individuals” lets opponents to legal immigration make dramatic claims about immigrant welfare use.
https://4thworldmovement.org/immigra...e-use-welfare/

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Groups like The American Immigration Council have long argued that, contra conservative depictions of “moocher,” immigrants have long given more to the welfare system than they take from it. “In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits,” a 2010 report by the Council found. “In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.” And a report by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in 2013 found that “more than half of undocumented immigrants have federal and state income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes automatically deducted from their paychecks.” Those immigrants are essentially helping to underwrite the welfare system, providing an enormous subsidy to it every year without being able to reap any of the benefits.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1227...e-they-fund-it
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I asked you very nicely not to rebut with the bullshlt about interlopers not receiving government aid, and there it is, bigger than shlt.
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The US spends billions on processing asylum applications, 90% are rejected. These funds could have been used to process applications for legal immigrants.
The rejection rate is a direct result of administrations fighting against allowing refugees into the country instead of welcoming them.

For example Jeff Sessions, as Attorney General, established a DOJ policy of fighting against allowing refugees fleeing from gang violence, that included rape and murder, from being accepted as refugees. Apparently Sessions believes it okay if a family is threatened by murder and their daughter raped if it's done by a gang instead of being done by a government. What a sick friggin' policy. If the person and their family are threatened with rape and murder they should be granted refugee status and allowed to remain in the United States. The "prosecutors" should be welcoming these refugees and not fighting to deport them.

Additionally the vast majority of refugees lack legal representation. There's little chance for them to win an argument before a judge when faced with a professional prosecutor that's trying to deny them refugee status.

Any person fleeing from danger, famine, economic slavery, or other misfortune that is significant to cause them to flee their native country, leaving everything they know and all that belongs to them behind, should be granted refugee status. Parents/guardians (legal or not - most often an extended family member) of children being brought to the United States because of the danger their native country represents to the child should be granted refugee status along with the child.

Refugees have the highest priority in our immigration laws for a reason. The United States was originally populated predominately with refugees from Europe. My family was one of them where my maternal ancestors fled England to escape the social (not official government) oppression of Quakers around 1750.

If it wasn't for the racists that believe we should fight against refugees because of their religion or color we wouldn't have an 80%-90% rejection rate because we'd be welcoming the refugees regardless of color or religion because of their plight that forced then to seek refuge in the United States.

Please note that Trump isn't fighting the "illegal aliens" from Canada that currently outnumber all of the illegal aliens coming in from South of our border.

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You are so right, the US can influence the number of people applying for asylum. Just last week we saw a video of illegal immigrants from Africa walking around the end of a partially completed section of security wall. Had Resistance Democrats not mindlessly obstructed construction out of partisan hatred the wall would have prevented illegal entry. They would have been forced to apply at a port of entry.
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man." Gen George Patton.

In just over a month, at the height of the season for illegal immigration, about 100,000 people crossed the US border with Mexico. In a matter of an hour or so these people could have built a ramp over "Trump's Wall" that a semi-truck could drive over. The physical barrier does not prevent unlawful entry into the United States. It may force it to the side of the wall or under the wall or over the wall but it doesn't prevent the entry.

It didn't matter of course. Of the over 100,000 people that illegally entered the US the vast majority, about 80%, immediately turned themselves into CBP agents to apply for asylum. Why weren't these people, these refugees seeking asylum, allowed to apply with CBP at a US port of entry like the law (Refugee Act of 1980) says they have a right to do?

I don't count the illegal crossings of refugees trying to apply for asylum as a problem because they should have been allowed to apply at a US port of entry so they weren't forced to illegally cross the border to apply.

The high numbers of illegal border crossings are Trump's fault. Blame him because he's not allowing them to apply at a US port of entry and legally enter the US like the law requires.

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If not for the opposition of Resistance Democrats and Republicans in Congress our asylum laws could be reformed to take away the incentive to cross illegally.
Allowing refugees to apply for asylum when they reach a port of entry, in compliance with the Refugee Act of 1980, eliminates the incentive to illegally cross the border. Amazing how Trump following the law could eliminate the problem.

Trump doesn't choose to follow the law because Trump, the self-professed (White) Nationalist (White Supremacist), is opposed to "brown people" entering the United States. He's called them "criminals and rapists" and claims that they're "infesting" America.

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The US can also continue to press Mexico to enforce their own immigration and human trafficking laws as well as enter in to a safe third country agreement so immigrants claiming to flee oppression will have a safe haven in the country. The can continue to press Mexico to investigate and arrest human traffickers posing as caravan organizers as they did last week. The FBI could be tasked with investigating organizations like Pueblos sin fronteras engaged in a criminal conspiracy to smuggle people illegally accross our border.
Mexico is following it's laws and Mexico can't really claim to be a safe country because of the power of the drug cartels that threaten many parts of the country. Still Mexico does accept thousands of these refugees but it also has a greater problem with finding work for them and of providing for them than the United States. We have millions of open jobs for low-skilled labor that aren't being filled today because of the very low unemployment rate.

We have crops that aren't being harvested today because of the lack of immigrant labor that's become responsible for harvesting those crops. Last time I checked 1/3rd of the apple crop in Washington was left to rot because there weren't enough pickers. Many other crops are also rotting because of a lack of migrant pickers.

Construction, while soaring in recent years, is still being held back because we don't have the immigrant construction workers that we had before the 2008 Recession.

We have work for the immigrants and refugees and our economy is suffering because of Trump's (racist) anti-immigration agenda.

Note: Trump made a claim about human traffickers bringing migrants illegally into the United States. The CBP searched it's records and was unable to find examples. Typically human traffickers either bring their victims into the United States legally or find them already inside of the United States.
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The rejection rate is a direct result of administrations fighting against allowing refugees into the country instead of welcoming them.
100% false...

The overwhelming number refuse to show up for the court hearing and get rejected in abstentia...

From just yesterday...

DHS Secretary: 90 Percent of Recent Asylum-Seekers Skipped Their Hearings

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Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Kevin McAleenan testified Tuesday that 90 percent of asylum-seekers tracked under a recently instituted program skipped the hearings in which their cases were to be adjudicated.

Testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee, McAleenan explained that his department is hampered in its efforts to deter illegal immigration by U.S. laws that allow asylum-seekers to remain on U.S. soil under their own recognizance for months or even years while awaiting a hearing that the vast majority of them simply skip.

“Out of those 7,000 cases, 90 received final orders of removal in absentia, 90 percent,” McAleenan told Senator Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), referring to the results of a recent DHS pilot program that tracks family units applying for asylum.

“90 percent did not show up?” Graham asked.

“Correct. That is a recent sample from families crossing the border,”
McAleenan replied
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I asked you very nicely not to rebut with the bullshlt about interlopers not receiving government aid, and there it is, bigger than shlt.
You post a myth propagated by racists and expect the facts to not be presented as a rebuttal? Seriously?

No one gets a free pass to lie.
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You post a myth propagated by racists and expect the facts to not be presented as a rebuttal? Seriously?

No one gets a free pass to lie.
So, no interloper is ever awarded any government benefits, eh?

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100% false...

The overwhelming number refuse to show up for the court hearing and get rejected in abstentia...

From just yesterday...

DHS Secretary: 90 Percent of Recent Asylum-Seekers Skipped Their Hearings
In other words brilliant fiction doesn't stand up to the actual facts. Color me surprised.
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Another nonsensical rant blaming Trump with no basis and of course racism for the flood of illegal aliens invading the US accross the Southern border. The law governing refugee status defines specific criteria but you want to use your radical opinion instead. No change to the law just obey the whim.

Patton's remark was referring to mechanized armies using maneuvers to overcome fixed fortifications. It is irrelevant to modern border walls like the one the Israelis built to deny terrorists access to the country.

When the comparatively crude border fences were built in the Yuma and San Diego sectors illegal crossings were slashed by more than 2/3. Now you make the preposterous claim illegal immigrants who we are told are all mothers and small children, could construct a ramp over the border capable of supporting a semi truck. Idiotic rhetoric like this is far too common among the open borders Democrats.

Your immigration policy is "no border, no wall, no USA at all. Otherwise it's racist.
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Never mind that over 90% of asylum applications are rejected. Turn them loose into the US.

Democrats are constantly whining about how they favor comprehensive immigration reform including securing the border yet when Trump acts to curtail the flow of immigrants being passed through Mexico to our doorstep it's greeted with sarcastic derision.

The Democrat plan is cut the number of detention beds available to CBP by 40% and abolish ICE. No border, no wall, no USA at all.
Thats because when they and the pro-illegals on the republican side say comprehensive immigration reform they mean amnesty with hollow promises of enforcement. That is why they oppose border walls,ICE,checking to make sure those claiming asylum actually qualify for asylum before letting them loose in the US,wish to cut the detention beds and other enforcement provisions. They think Americans are stupid and will fall for another Reagan amnesty.
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