Why Britain's National Health Service keeps coming up during Trump's UK visit

saltwn · #1 (**permalink**) 06-04-2019, 04:36 PM

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Britain's healthcare system is free at the point of delivery for everyone in the UK and has been since after the end World War Two. Over the years, it has become a cherished national institution, immune from criticism. Whenever governments plan to introduce charges, or suggest private investment, it inevitably causes an uproar.

The trouble is, pressures on the NHS are increasing. An aging population, demand for more expensive treatments, and a public spending squeeze, give politicians little room for maneuver. The NHS is in perpetual crisis and eventually, something will need to be done about it.
American healthcare companies spot an opening. The NHS needs investment -- and after Brexit, Britain wants a trade deal with the US.

Woody Johnson, the US ambassador to the UK, started it off when he suggested on a BBC political show on Sunday that it would be part of any post-Brexit US-UK trade negotiation.
The President addressed it again on Tuesday when he was asked about it at a press conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May. "When you're dealing in trade everything is on the table, so NHS or anything else, a lot more than that, but everything will be on the table, absolutely," Trump said.

But the British public is concerned that would lead to the breakup of the health service, with parts of it being privatized. So the political backlash was immediate -- in particular from those vying to replace Theresa May as Prime Minister.
"I want to see the UK get fair deals on trade with the US and many other countries when we leave the EU," said Dominic Raab, one of the contenders. "But the NHS is not for sale to any country and never would be if I was Prime Minister."... more at the site

Our grifter POTUS is at it again

cnredd · #2 (**permalink**) 06-05-2019, 12:41 AM

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Britain's healthcare system is free at the point of delivery for everyone in the UK and has been since after the end World War Two. Over the years, it has become a cherished national institution, immune from criticism.

Wha-wha-WHAT!?!?!...

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UK public are more dissatisfied than ever with NHS, poll shows

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More people are unhappy with the NHS than satisfied for the first time in a poll of the public run by Britain’s doctors, and 70% say they think the health service is going in the wrong direction.

The growing public concern will be revealed by Dr Mark Porter, leader of the British Medical Association, who will tell his annual representative meeting in Bournemouth on Monday that the government is “trying to keep the health service running on nothing but fumes”.

...The latest poll shows 43% of respondents are dissatisfied with the NHS, and 33% are satisfied – a doubling of dissatisfaction in two years. In 2015 a BMA survey found that 21% were dissatisfied, with 56% saying they were satisfied. In 2016, 37% reported that they were dissatisfied, with 41% satisfied.

The poll also shows that 82% are worried about the future of the NHS, while nearly two-thirds (62%) expect the NHS to get worse in the coming years, compared with 39% in 2015. Only 13% think the NHS will get better, compared with 26% in 2015.

GottaGo · #3 (**permalink**) 06-05-2019, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Wha-wha-WHAT!?!?!...

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UK public are more dissatisfied than ever with NHS, poll shows

My reaction also... immune from criticism? Perhaps in the writers mind only.

FrancSevin · #4 (**permalink**) 06-05-2019, 12:22 PM

Cherished or not, Britain's health care system is straining to keep- afloat and services are now rationed and sometimes denied. Like virtually every/any socialized programs, it now suffers from having more people in the wagon than pulling it.

saltwn · #5 (**permalink**) 06-05-2019, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Wha-wha-WHAT!?!?!...

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UK public are more dissatisfied than ever with NHS, poll shows

They don't want to get rid of it

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“We don’t have to spend less of our GDP than the other leading European economies on health. Our government has chosen to do this. If we spent the average – the average, not the most – then patients would see £15bn extra investment in the English NHS within five years. We’re not asking for the world. We’re asking for the average. For a fair chance to create the health service our patients need and deserve.”

they want to spend more money on it.

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The leading concerns are lack of funding (50%), the possibility that the NHS may cease to be free at the point of use (41%) and that waiting times will increase (35%). Almost seven out of ten (69%) think the NHS will not get sufficient attention because of Brexit.

AZRWinger · #6 (**permalink**) 06-05-2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

They don't want to get rid of it

they want to spend more money on it.

Classic Leftist strategy, create a government agency to deal with a problem as the only solution. When it fails, expand it with more funding.

The emphasis is avoiding the mistake of creating a system of socialized medicine like the British have.

Please explain why US health care companies shouldn't be interested in providing there superior service to the British population.

FrancSevin · #7 (**permalink**) 06-06-2019, 09:45 AM

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They don't want to get rid of it

they want to spend more money on it.

Promises Promises. Politicians the same every where. Promises, promises. And threats that Brexit will reduce revenues.
Fear mongering.

If the UK had that money, they would have allocated it. They have not done so.

That don't have that money coming in. So from where will they get it?

Taxes. On the people who produce and earn.
So in reality, it isn't Free.

AZRWinger · #8 (**permalink**) 06-06-2019, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Promises Promises. Politicians the same every where. Promises, promises. And threats that Brexit will reduce revenues.
Fear mongering.

If the UK had that money, they would have allocated it. They have not done so.

That don't have that money coming in. So from where will they get it?

Taxes. On the people who produce and earn.
So in reality, it isn't Free.

We are told one of the great benefits of Medicare for all is cost savings yet here we see the NIH needs more money just to maintain service levels inferior to those of private healthcare in the US. Of course the NIH bureaucrats practice rationing of care, overt and covert in the public interest of course.

The overt rationing shows up in the macabre denial of care for infants extending to physically denying parents from seeking medical care overseas at no cost to the government health service. Covert rationing is government created shortages of delivery capacity. You are still covered for visits to specialists or testing but if you die while waiting in line there is cost savings to be had.

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