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Old 03-31-2019, 09:29 AM
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Problem is the solution proposed won't help. Building a wall doesn't stop the cause of these mass migrations, nor does it discourage caravans from making the journey up here. Closing the border also kinda f-cks us over in ragards to trade. If the problem is that we have too many asylum-seekers to process, then we need more immigration personnel at the border. Trump should ask Congress for more border security funding for hiring more of the people we need at the border, not grandstand and threaten other countries.
Do you think the U.S. getting rid of handouts to them will slow their inflow to a trickle, then?
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Walls a couple thousand miles away stop the formation of caravans from South America. This is what you believe?
People join the caravans in the belief they will be able to illegally immigrate to the US. They bring their children on a very dangerous journey across Mexico to be used as pawns once the enter US territory crossing our unsecured Southern border. A wall coupled with other security measures will drastically reduce the so-called asylum seekers ability to illegally cross into the US just as construction of far less comprehensive barriers in the San Diego and Yuma sectors did. Imagine that, forcing the so-called caravans to follow the legal process for asylum applications.

The "Orange man bad" crowd doesn't offer a solution to secure the Southern border just blindly attack Trump while ignoring the efficacy of the limited border wall already in place. Just a few months ago we were told a wall wasn't necessary because illegal immigration was at a paltry volume. Now that the volume of illegal crossings has skyrocketed to the point it has overwhelmed the border patrol with more on the way, Resistance Democrats simply proclaim a wall doesn't work despite the evidence to the contrary.
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Shoulda been done a long time ago. If these countries don't wanna contol their peeps then buh bye to cash.

Trump cuts aid to Central American countries as migrant crisis deepens

WASHINGTON/EL PASO, Texas, March 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. government cut aid to El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras on Saturday after President Donald Trump blasted the Central American countries for sending migrants to the United States and threatened to shutter the U.S.-Mexico border.

A surge of asylum seekers from the three countries have sought to enter the United States across the southern border in recent days. On Friday, Trump accused the nations of having "set up" migrant caravans and sent them north.

Trump said there was a "very good likelihood" he would close the border this week if Mexico did not stop immigrants from reaching the United States. Frequent crossers of the border, including workers and students, worried about the disruption to their lives the president's threatened shutdown could cause.

At a rally on the border in El Paso, Texas, Democratic presidential hopeful Beto O'Rourke denounced Trump's immigration policies as the politics of "fear and division."

A State Department spokesman said in a statement it was carrying out Trump's directive by ending aid programs to the three Central American nations, known as the Northern Triangle.

The department said it would "engage Congress in the process," an apparent acknowledgement that it will need lawmakers' approval to end funding that a Congressional aide estimated would total about $700 million.

New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called Trump's order a "reckless announcement" and urged Democrats and Republicans alike to reject it.

Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Friday that the United States was paying the three countries "tremendous amounts of money," but received nothing in return.

Mario Garcia, a 45-year-old bricklayer in El Salvador, said he was setting off for the United States regardless of the president's threat to close the frontier.

"There is no work here and we want to improve (our lives), to get ahead for our families, for our children. I don't give a damn (what Trump says), I'm determined," Garcia said.

Garcia was one of a group of at least 90 people who left the capital San Salvador over the weekend on buses heading north, in what locals said was the tenth so-called caravan to depart for the United States since October.

The government of El Salvador has said it has tried to stem the flow of migrants.

The Honduran Foreign Ministry on Saturday called the U.S. policies "contradictory" but stressed that its relationship with the United States was "solid, close and positive."

Trump, who launched his presidential campaign in 2015 with a promise to build a border wall and crack down on illegal immigration, has repeatedly threatened to close the frontier during his two years in office but has not followed through.

This time, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other U.S. officials say border patrol officers have been overwhelmed by a sharp increase asylum seekers, many of them children and families who arrive in groups, fleeing violence and economic hardship in the Northern Triangle.

March is on track for 100,000 border apprehensions, Homeland Security officials said, which would be the highest monthly number in more than a decade. Most of those people can remain in the United States while their asylum claims are processed, which can take years because of ballooning immigration court backlogs.

Nielsen warned Congress on Thursday that the government faces a "system-wide meltdown" as it tries to care for more than 1,200 unaccompanied children and 6,600 migrant families in its custody.

Trump has so far been unable to convince Congress to tighten asylum laws or fund his border wall. He has declared a national emergency to justify redirecting money earmarked for the military to pay for the wall.

Mexico has played down the possibility of a border shutdown. Its foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, said the country is a good neighbor and does not act on the basis of threats.

It was not clear how shutting down ports of entry would deter asylum seekers because they are legally able to request help as soon as they set foot on U.S. soil.

But a border shutdown would disrupt tourism and U.S.-Mexico trade that totaled $612 billion last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. A shutdown could lead to factory closures on both sides of the border, industry officials say, because the automobiles and medical sectors especially have woven international supply chains into their business models. (Reporting by Julia Harte and Richard Cowan in Washington, and Tim Reid in El Paso; Additional reporting by Jose Luis Gonzalez in Ciudad Juarez, Julia Love in Mexico City, Omar Younis in San Diego, Nelson Renteria in San Salvador and Orfa Mejia in Tegucigalpa; Writing by Daniel Wallis; Editing by Rosalba O'Brien)
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Shoulda been done a long time ago. If these countries don't wanna contol their peeps then buh bye to cash.

Trump cuts aid to Central American countries as migrant crisis deepens

WASHINGTON/EL PASO, Texas, March 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. government cut aid to El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras on Saturday after President Donald Trump blasted the Central American countries for sending migrants to the United States and threatened to shutter the U.S.-Mexico border.

A surge of asylum seekers from the three countries have sought to enter the United States across the southern border in recent days. On Friday, Trump accused the nations of having "set up" migrant caravans and sent them north.

Trump said there was a "very good likelihood" he would close the border this week if Mexico did not stop immigrants from reaching the United States. Frequent crossers of the border, including workers and students, worried about the disruption to their lives the president's threatened shutdown could cause.

At a rally on the border in El Paso, Texas, Democratic presidential hopeful Beto O'Rourke denounced Trump's immigration policies as the politics of "fear and division."

A State Department spokesman said in a statement it was carrying out Trump's directive by ending aid programs to the three Central American nations, known as the Northern Triangle.

The department said it would "engage Congress in the process," an apparent acknowledgement that it will need lawmakers' approval to end funding that a Congressional aide estimated would total about $700 million.

New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called Trump's order a "reckless announcement" and urged Democrats and Republicans alike to reject it.

Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Friday that the United States was paying the three countries "tremendous amounts of money," but received nothing in return.

Mario Garcia, a 45-year-old bricklayer in El Salvador, said he was setting off for the United States regardless of the president's threat to close the frontier.

"There is no work here and we want to improve (our lives), to get ahead for our families, for our children. I don't give a damn (what Trump says), I'm determined," Garcia said.

Garcia was one of a group of at least 90 people who left the capital San Salvador over the weekend on buses heading north, in what locals said was the tenth so-called caravan to depart for the United States since October.

The government of El Salvador has said it has tried to stem the flow of migrants.

The Honduran Foreign Ministry on Saturday called the U.S. policies "contradictory" but stressed that its relationship with the United States was "solid, close and positive."

Trump, who launched his presidential campaign in 2015 with a promise to build a border wall and crack down on illegal immigration, has repeatedly threatened to close the frontier during his two years in office but has not followed through.

This time, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other U.S. officials say border patrol officers have been overwhelmed by a sharp increase asylum seekers, many of them children and families who arrive in groups, fleeing violence and economic hardship in the Northern Triangle.

March is on track for 100,000 border apprehensions, Homeland Security officials said, which would be the highest monthly number in more than a decade. Most of those people can remain in the United States while their asylum claims are processed, which can take years because of ballooning immigration court backlogs.

Nielsen warned Congress on Thursday that the government faces a "system-wide meltdown" as it tries to care for more than 1,200 unaccompanied children and 6,600 migrant families in its custody.

Trump has so far been unable to convince Congress to tighten asylum laws or fund his border wall. He has declared a national emergency to justify redirecting money earmarked for the military to pay for the wall.

Mexico has played down the possibility of a border shutdown. Its foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, said the country is a good neighbor and does not act on the basis of threats.

It was not clear how shutting down ports of entry would deter asylum seekers because they are legally able to request help as soon as they set foot on U.S. soil.

But a border shutdown would disrupt tourism and U.S.-Mexico trade that totaled $612 billion last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. A shutdown could lead to factory closures on both sides of the border, industry officials say, because the automobiles and medical sectors especially have woven international supply chains into their business models. (Reporting by Julia Harte and Richard Cowan in Washington, and Tim Reid in El Paso; Additional reporting by Jose Luis Gonzalez in Ciudad Juarez, Julia Love in Mexico City, Omar Younis in San Diego, Nelson Renteria in San Salvador and Orfa Mejia in Tegucigalpa; Writing by Daniel Wallis; Editing by Rosalba O'Brien)
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Walls a couple thousand miles away stop the formation of caravans from South America. This is what you believe?
First, that is a nonsensical statement. The caravans are going the 2,000 miles with help. they ain't walking all the way. Second, once they get to the border, a simple step over the line, claim asylum and they are IN the USA.

Goal attained.

Has anyone thought about how closing the Border at the entry gates will effect the illegals crossing elsewhere? Fact; it won't. So what is the President's purpose here?

To stop Mexico's trade with the USA. It's about the money. Until Mexico stops the flow of migrants through it's country, it can do without revenues from USA business.

As for the "Triangle" nations sending these migrants, we will stop sending cash to them as well. Seems the money wasn't being spent for the benefit of the people there, so why send it? .

There are two ways to bring a reluctant country to the negotiating table, park a fleet off shore and an Army at the border ready for battle, or cut off the money. Developer businessmen tend to prefer the leverage of money. I think our President is going to try the less bloody approach first.

Hairy's Post #13 is spot on right. The best way to bring errant self indulged children back inline is to take away their allowance. That is the bold move which will do more for the immigration issue than any 50 foot high wall.

If the last two years have proven anything, it's that President Trump is not crazy. He is, instead, effective.
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