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First veto. Don't think there's enough peeps in Congress or the Senate to override the veto.

President Trump vetoes resolution to block national emergency: 'I have the duty to veto it'

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President Donald Trump vetoed a resolution Friday that sought to block his national emergency declaration to fund the southern border wall, according to The New York Times.

After Democrats and 12 Republican senators supported the resolution to block the declaration, President Trump immediately issued the first veto of his presidency, calling the resolution "dangerous" and "reckless."

"It is a dangerous resolution that would undermine United States sovereignty and threaten the lives and safety of countless Americans," President Trump said in a White House statement. "It is, therefore, my duty to return it to the House of Representatives without my approval."
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Although I agree that the lack of wall IS a national emergency, I also believe this may come back to haunt...The next Democrat president will declare "national emergencies" every 15 seconds for gun control, the environment, healthcare, and anything else on the Lefty agenda...

The original law passed decades ago gave the president too much power, and the "other side" can always "YOUR president abused it once, so OUR president can abuse it 15 times! (and then 20...and then 30)..

Remember when Harry Reid changed the rules on federal judges and removed the filibuster except for Supreme Court justice nominees? They REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they lost the Senate and the Republicans upped the ante and removed that filibuster, too...

I can easily see the same thing happening here...
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Although I agree that the lack of wall IS a national emergency, I also believe this may come back to haunt...The next Democrat president will declare "national emergencies" every 15 seconds for gun control, the environment, healthcare, and anything else on the Lefty agenda...

The original law passed decades ago gave the president too much power, and the "other side" can always "YOUR president abused it once, so OUR president can abuse it 15 times! (and then 20...and then 30)..

Remember when Harry Reid changed the rules on federal judges and removed the filibuster except for Supreme Court justice nominees? They REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they lost the Senate and the Republicans upped the ante and removed that filibuster, too...

I can easily see the same thing happening here...
Remember when Obama declared he couldn't fix the problem of the so-called dreamers being deported? He said so in 20 speeches after the Dream Act bill failed in Congress. Then he granted defacto amnesty with DACA by decree. Federal courts even declared President Trump could not rescind this undermining of Congress and the rule of law.

Republicans offered a bill which would make Trump's declaration of a national emergency the last one by repealing the law going forward. Resistance Democrats refused to even consider it. They don't want to deprive the next Democrat Pen and Phone President of the opportunity to use the power to declare national emergencies.

The argument that Trump's declaration of a national emergency to address the crisis on our Southern border somehow sets an enabling precedent for a future Democrat President that they wouldn't have used otherwise ignores history. Precedent or any notion of fair play doesn't trouble today's Democrats any more than it did FDR when he decided he should be President for life. Democrats consistently bray about the evils of this or that policy then turn around and utilize the practice claiming necessity. We see it in public financing of Presidential campaigns, recess appointments when the Senate is in session, forming super PACS, amnesty by decree for dreamers, overwriting the Obamacare bill on to the text of a bill passed by the House to undermine the Constitutional requirement that spending bills originate in the House, using reconciliation to avoid the filibuster for a massive new spending bill, embedding appropriations into bills and creating a follow on bill with changes to Obamacare to avoid the conference process.

It's naive to assume Democrats would only use the Presidential power to declare national emergencies in place of legislation if Trump sets a precedent. It's long overdue for Republicans to recognize their political adversaries are operating on the axiom of the ends justify the means.
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Although I agree that the lack of wall IS a national emergency, I also believe this may come back to haunt...The next Democrat president will declare "national emergencies" every 15 seconds for gun control, the environment, healthcare, and anything else on the Lefty agenda...

The original law passed decades ago gave the president too much power, and the "other side" can always "YOUR president abused it once, so OUR president can abuse it 15 times! (and then 20...and then 30)..

Remember when Harry Reid changed the rules on federal judges and removed the filibuster except for Supreme Court justice nominees? They REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they lost the Senate and the Republicans upped the ante and removed that filibuster, too...

I can easily see the same thing happening here...
I think you're correct. National emergencies should be reserved for times when missiles are flying over the Pacific on their way to California. A 40 year old border problem is a problem, not an emergency.
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I think you're correct. National emergencies should be reserved for times when missiles are flying over the Pacific on their way to California. A 40 year old border problem is a problem, not an emergency.
Republicans offered a proposal to repeal the President's authority to declare national emergencies while leaving current emergencies in place. Senator Mike Lee introduced the bill, Nancy Pelosi quickly announced she would block House consideration. Resistance politics is the issue, saying no to Trump is the only objective.
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I was in the same camp that Red is in at one time. But then realized that AZRWinger has posted and yes, Dem Presidents have already been doing this for some time. I believe what is presently happening NOW at the border, is a crisis and needs to be dealt with, regardless of politics. But the Democrats are so dead set in seeing to it that Trump not be able to claim a win that they will sacrifice national security to ensure his defeat.

I would also favor repealing this specific statute or amend it to apply only to real emergencies as Jimbo describes.
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Ive come to terms with this. We know Republicans wont override the veto because they are all essentially hypocrites and cowards, and hopefully the courts back this up since theyre stacked with *******s.

Trump begins the years long process to build a $25 billion+ worthless wall and his ass gets voted out in 2020.

We now have a Democrat in the White House, a Democrat Majorty in the House and the Senate. Then Declare a national infrastructure emergency and a climate change and a voting rights emergency. Completely gut the filibuster to pass Medicare for all and raise taxes on the rich to 1950s levels. Stack the courts and make Election Day a national holiday to replace Columbus Day.

Id trade a wall that will never be built for that.

Thanks Republicans, you just played yourselves.

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