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Admittedly, I am growing a bit weary of the all-too-frequent speeches of President Trump--last night's speech (which seemed almost like a campaign rally) came just six days after his State of the Union address--but there is still such a thing as proper decorum. And Beto O'Rourke certainly did not display that last night.

Perhaps he was just kicking off his 2020 presidential campaign. Whatever the motive, however, it was enormously distasteful for him to hold a competing rally (just half a mile away, I believe--although the distance is hardly the point).

Probably very few--if any--Trump supporters were drawn away from the president's rally. However, that, once again, is not the point. There was a time--not so long ago--when good manners would have dictated that one should show respect for the office of the presidency, even if one were poorly inclined toward the current holder of that office; and one would, therefore, not act in a disrespectful manner thereto.

One has to wonder just what has happened, recently, to basic, good manners...
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Admittedly, I am growing a bit weary of the all-too-frequent speeches of President Trump--last night's speech (which seemed almost like a campaign rally) came just six days after his State of the Union address--but there is still such a thing as proper decorum. And Beto O'Rourke certainly did not display that last night.

Perhaps he was just kicking off his 2020 presidential campaign. Whatever the motive, however, it was enormously distasteful for him to hold a competing rally (just half a mile away, I believe--although the distance is hardly the point).

Probably very few--if any--Trump supporters were drawn away from the president's rally. However, that, once again, is not the point. There was a time--not so long ago--when good manners would have dictated that one should show respect for the office of the presidency, even if one were poorly inclined toward the current holder of that office; and one would, therefore, not act in a disrespectful manner thereto.

One has to wonder just what has happened, recently, to basic, good manners...
*POOF*
Because Trump can be crass, people believe they have the right to be disrespectful to anyone and everyone, and blame it on Trump.

There seems there are no longer adults in this country... it's become a free-for-all.
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Admittedly, I am growing a bit weary of the all-too-frequent speeches of President Trump--last night's speech (which seemed almost like a campaign rally) came just six days after his State of the Union address--but there is still such a thing as proper decorum. And Beto O'Rourke certainly did not display that last night.

Perhaps he was just kicking off his 2020 presidential campaign. Whatever the motive, however, it was enormously distasteful for him to hold a competing rally (just half a mile away, I believe--although the distance is hardly the point).

Probably very few--if any--Trump supporters were drawn away from the president's rally. However, that, once again, is not the point. There was a time--not so long ago--when good manners would have dictated that one should show respect for the office of the presidency, even if one were poorly inclined toward the current holder of that office; and one would, therefore, not act in a disrespectful manner thereto.

One has to wonder just what has happened, recently, to basic, good manners...
When some liar is expounding about what goes on in your neck of the woods and how it's an emergency blah blah ...
If you are a former representative and candidate who grew up there you might wanna have something to say in the face of all that propaganda.
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When some liar is expounding about what goes on in your neck of the woods and how it's an emergency blah blah ...
If you are a former representative and candidate who grew up there you might wanna have something to say in the face of all that propaganda.
It is a real shame that you view the president as merely "some liar"--and, by extension, that you view roughly half the country as complicit in his (supposed) "l[ying]."

(By the way, I would assume that you see all views that are contrary to your own as mere "propaganda"; but that you see all views that line up nicely with your own as...well, as liberals like to say, "speaking Truth to Power.")
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It is a real shame that you view the president as merely "some liar"


Actually not. In reality I see him as a double dogged fVcking liar.

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--and, by extension, that you view roughly half the country as complicit in his (supposed) "l[ying]."
I think R congress half of them are complicit because he either has something on them or paid them off. The fans?
I can honestly say are just kinda stupid. That is the only way it can be said. With so much in their face that he is a liar and a bad actor in so many ways, foreign policy being the most threatening, it's hard believe there are even the 33% who go along with him. But at the very very least they just don't read and get all their news from basically one source: limbaugh fox blaze bull sht-which are all run or financed by the same entities.

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no. have an opinion. fine. try to tell me it's a fairy parade when it's snowing I'll say that's propaganda.
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but that you see all views that line up nicely with your own as...well, as liberals like to say, "speaking Truth to Power.")
I was a truther long before I knew the labels of political parties.
Still call em like I see em. Trump is a used car salesman type in it for his own profit. Not a bad salesman either. Just a crooked and gross one.
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Actually not. In reality I see him as a double dogged fVcking liar.
Well, we can just skip the adjective.

The fact is that you view the president of the United States as a "liar."

The modifier here does not especially matter.

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I think R congress half of them are complicit because he either has something on them or paid them off.
Do you have some substantial evidence here?

Or is this mere (unsupported) speculation?

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The fans [of Donald Trump]?
I can honestly say are just kinda stupid. That is the only way it can be said.
Well, I am truly sorry that you find me to be "stupid."

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With so much in their face that he is a liar and a bad actor in so many ways, foreign policy being the most threatening, it's hard believe there are even the 33% who go along with him.
Actually, Rasmussen--who is (perhaps understandably) detested by liberals--has him at a 52 percent approval rating, among likely voters, as of February 13. (That is roughly 58 percent--albeit only 19 percentage points--better than a 33 percent rating.)

Here is the evidence: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/app.../11/id/902202/

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But at the very very least they just don't read and get all their news from basically one source: limbaugh fox blaze bull sht-which are all run or financed by the same entities.
I prefer not to wade into the swamp you have created--as to whether all news sources that you dislike are "financed by the same entities--but one wonders if all the news sources that you choose range from center-left to hard left--and, perhaps, that you consider that to be "normal."

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try to tell me it's a fairy parade when it's snowing I'll say that's propaganda.
Would you care to elucidate, please?

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Trump is a used car salesman type in it for his own profit. Not a bad salesman either. Just a crooked and gross one.
As I have indicated previously, your indictment is not merely of Donald Trump; it is also of roughly half the American population.

I am genuinely sorry that you have chosen to look down your nose at so many of us.

(Note: If it were feasible, would you really prefer to split into two separate countries: A Red United States of America and a Blue United States of America?)
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(Note: If it were feasible, would you really prefer to split into two separate countries: A Red United States of America and a Blue United States of America?)
I beginning to believe that I would prefer that arraignment. But with the stipulation that a solid barrier is built between the 2 countries to keep them from coming to the Red country when they run theirs completely into the ground.
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Well, we can just skip the adjective.

The fact is that you view the president of the United States as a "liar."

The modifier here does not especially matter.
prolific liar is not adequate. it paints too mild a target. the double dogged is explanatory; the fvcking liar shows outrage. so yes adjectives are good. to just call him a liar might indicate he lied about one or three things when actually he lies practically every time he speaks or tweets. The truth is not in him. and he is often malicious in his intent.




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Do you have some substantial evidence here?

Or is this mere (unsupported) speculation?
his associations and priorities; the crowd he moves among. his decades long relationship with a rag mag that black mails celebrities and politicians on a regular bases as well as pay off those who have no fodder for black mail. you can bet your sweet arse not all republican congressmen care about getting reelected more than they care about their soul. look at the gop reps who are retiring or flipped to support him and you'll see a pattern. the RNC was hacked too but thy claim to have fixed it or there was an attempted hack and supposedly that was thwarted. put two and two together. why do politicians stop short of calling him out? so as not to debase themselves in public? because of morals and ethics? to refute that all you have to do is see how many have done that from gomert to cruz to nunez. yes nunez. there's a piece of work for ya. running to the WH in the middle of the night to leak information about what he was supposedly investigating!?

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Well, I am truly sorry that you find me to be "stupid."
yoour party has turned against all decency yet because you believe you should be afraid of liberuuls you hang on. I was stupid to believe Reagan. It saved me from voting Trump. Maybe you will learn that lesson; maybe not. We have something we did not have during Reagan and that is the internet media and huge power structures of sway on people's views. Fox is propaganda. msnbc is propaganda rush, Ingram, are all part of the DNC or RNC conglomerate coupled with the NRA , abortion clinics, etc in their respective corners to fight for our vote. the media heads are absolutely a this point telling the POTUS which bills to support. hello hello? hello!

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Actually, Rasmussen--who is (perhaps understandably) detested by liberals--has him at a 52 percent approval rating, among likely voters, as of February 13. (That is roughly 58 percent--albeit only 19 percentage points--better than a 33 percent rating.)
best place is real clear politics average of all of them. but so many people are ashamed to admit they are for trump it's hard to determine. however many there are they are brainwashed or don't care he is a grifter w/o an ideology at all. if it helps or hurts our nation or security doesn't matter as his goal is his self monetary worth.
Here is the evidence: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/app.../11/id/902202/



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I prefer not to wade into the swamp you have created--as to whether all news sources that you dislike are "financed by the same entities--but one wonders if all the news sources that you choose range from center-left to hard left--and, perhaps, that you consider that to be "normal."
you have to consider them all and read between the lines. no one source can give you a clear picture. why people are so divided.
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no. have an opinion. fine. try to tell me it's a fairy parade when it's snowing I'll say that's propaganda.
Would you care to elucidate, please?
you imply in your OP trump is at the wall for a good reason having to do with running the country when in fact he is there for a campaign rally.

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As I have indicated previously, your indictment is not merely of Donald Trump; it is also of roughly half the American population.
so be it. half the population has been wrong before.
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I am genuinely sorry that you have chosen to look down your nose at so many of us.
I have fought it off with much struggle but y'all keep pounding me with incredulities
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no. that's ridiculous.
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prolific liar is not adequate. it paints too mild a target. the double dogged is explanatory; the fvcking liar shows outrage. so yes adjectives are good. to just call him a liar might indicate he lied about one or three things when actually he lies practically every time he speaks or tweets. The truth is not in him. and he is often malicious in his intent.
Would it be fair, then, to say that you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome?

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his associations and priorities; the crowd he moves among. his decades long relationship with a rag mag that black mails celebrities and politicians on a regular bases as well as pay off those who have no fodder for black mail. you can bet your sweet arse not all republican congressmen care about getting reelected more than they care about their soul. look at the gop reps who are retiring or flipped to support him and you'll see a pattern. the RNC was hacked too but thy claim to have fixed it or there was an attempted hack and supposedly that was thwarted. put two and two together. why do politicians stop short of calling him out? so as not to debase themselves in public? because of morals and ethics? to refute that all you have to do is see how many have done that from gomert to cruz to nunez. yes nunez. there's a piece of work for ya. running to the WH in the middle of the night to leak information about what he was supposedly investigating!?
I will agree with you that the National Enquirer (if that is what you are referring to) is a "rag mag" (i.e. a tabloid--which is to say, a practitioner of "yellow journalism").

But just what does the rest of your reply amount to (other than am angry rant)?

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I think R congress half of them are complicit because he either has something on them or paid them off.
The proof of which is...well, let us just say, a bit lacking...

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yoour party has turned against all decency yet because you believe you should be afraid of liberuuls you hang on. I was stupid to believe Reagan. It saved me from voting Trump. Maybe you will learn that lesson; maybe not. We have something we did not have during Reagan and that is the internet media and huge power structures of sway on people's views. Fox is propaganda. msnbc is propaganda rush, Ingram, are all part of the DNC or RNC conglomerate coupled with the NRA , abortion clinics, etc in their respective corners to fight for our vote. the media heads are absolutely a this point telling the POTUS which bills to support. hello hello? hello!
Once again, an angry rant--but entirely unresponsive.

I will try one more time:

"I am truly sorry that you find me to be 'stupid.'"

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best place is real clear politics average of all of them.
Not necessarily.

RealClearPolitics--although objective enough (which is a big plus)--averages in polls of registered voters with polls of likely voters; and that is truly an apples-and-oranges mixture.

Moreover, it averages in polls from very different dates--and a lot can happen, within just a very short span of time, to change voters' views about many things.


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you have to consider them all and read between the lines. no one source can give you a clear picture. why people are so divided.
I cannot argue with you here--in theory, at least.

But do you regularly read (or watch) center-right sources--and do so respectfully? Or do you merely dismiss them, angrily, as "limbaugh fox blaze bull sht," as you posted recently?

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limbaugh fox blaze bull shtyou imply in your OP trump is at the wall for a good reason having to do with running the country when in fact he is there for a campaign rally.
Actually, my exact words, in the OP, were that the speech "seemed almost like a campaign rally."

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so be it. half the population has been wrong before.
It would appear that you do not believe half the country to be merely "wrong"--which, as you indicate, would hardly be unprecedented (after all, it did elect Barack Obama twice)--but that it is complicit in some terrible evil.

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I have fought it off with much struggle but y'all keep pounding me with incredulities
I am not even certain what this means.

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no. that's ridiculous [that we might divide into two separate countries--one blue, and one red].
Like you, I am opposed to it.

However, I think that it will, eventually, probably come to that--perhaps not within my lifetime (for the record, I am 71), but sometime.

The only alternative--at least, the only one that I can see--is a second civil war.

This is not to say, however, that I am in favor of either of these options.

I just think that it may come to one or the other.

And separation is the likelier of the two, in my opinion.
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Would it be fair, then, to say that you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome?
I suffer from a clear mind. And I do mean suffer. Forgive me God it might be better to go along in a fog. Knock on wood to ward that off

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I will agree with you that the National Enquirer (if that is what you are referring to) is a "rag mag" (i.e. a tabloid--which is to say, a practitioner of "yellow journalism").

But just what does the rest of your reply amount to (other than am angry rant)?
Pecker probably just lost his deal with the court on states evidence in the prostitute payoff campaign donation because he tried black mailed Jeff Bezos. It tells a tale. Come to find out that is what he does and come to find out our fearless leader has been heavily involved with him and his paper for decades.
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"I am truly sorry that you find me to be 'stupid.'"
as I think I said previously, me too. Doesn't make me feel like a million that people I respect are falling for the propaganda. Just is what it is.

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RealClearPolitics--although objective enough (which is a big plus)--averages in polls of registered voters with polls of likely voters; and that is truly an apples-and-oranges mixture.

Moreover, it averages in polls from very different dates--and a lot can happen, within just a very short span of time, to change voters' views about many things.
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I cannot argue with you here--in theory, at least.

But do you regularly read (or watch) center-right sources--and do so respectfully? Or do you merely dismiss them, angrily, as "limbaugh fox blaze bull sht," as you posted recently?
Yes I do. The W Examiner and Chicago Tribune. Some FOx clips and Foxnews Sunday. Also very I recently watched a debate on the economy by a hard left and a hard right media personality. Each could hold their own on their viewpoints and replies.

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Actually, my exact words, in the OP, were that the speech "seemed almost like a campaign rally."
OK yes you did.

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It would appear that you do not believe half the country to be merely "wrong"--which, as you indicate, would hardly be unprecedented (after all, it did elect Barack Obama twice)--but that it is complicit in some terrible evil.
yes I do believe that.

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Like you, I am opposed to it.

However, I think that it will, eventually, probably come to that--perhaps not within my lifetime (for the record, I am 71), but sometime.

The only alternative--at least, the only one that I can see--is a second civil war.

This is not to say, however, that I am in favor of either of these options.

I just think that it may come to one or the other.

And separation is the likelier of the two, in my opinion.
No I do not think that would ever happen. I think we will come to our senses before then. We are coming to them now indeed. It is just the fringe that believes his rot lock stock and barrel. Most of the country are independent or in the middle somewhere
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