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Old 01-10-2019, 10:20 AM
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Unlike in 2006 when Democrats overwhelmingly voted to fund about 700 miles of very specific and strategic barriers to pedestrian and vehicle traffic based upon the advice of experts in border security President Trump doesn't have any experts on border security claiming that building a "wall" in undefined areas along the US-Mexico border is superior to using the same funds for other border security purposes.

The Democrats have promised to address border security when the shutdown is over and that's what the American people want, Donald Trump will not agree to discussing border security after the shutdown is over but instead is demanding a wall that experts on border security don't support as a wise spending measure. Most of Trump's expressed concerns don't even relate to a border wall. Terrorists don't enter the United States by illegally crossing the border and they don't come from Mexico. The Wall doesn't stop terrorists. Drugs enter the United States through US ports of entry in vehicles. The Wall doesn't stop drug smuggling. The recent increase in illegal border crossing are by refugees that tried to enter the US lawfully but where refused the opportunity to apply for asylum and turned away at a port of entry by the Border Patrol at the direction of President Trump.

The two children that died in US custody wouldn't have died if the parent(s) were allowed to apply for asylum and enter the US lawfully at a port of entry in compliance with our laws.

Our detention facilities are over-flowing because Trump will not process asylum claims and allow refugees to enter the US lawfully.

If Trump follows the Refugee Act of 1980 and our current immigration laws there wouldn't be over 5,000 refugees stuck on the Mexican side of the border, creating a humanitarian crisis, while waiting to be allowed to lawfully enter the United State but Trump doesn't follow those laws.
I don't normally use this method of responding, but I call Bull****.

Statements as such are what cause unnecessary tensions, though the hyperbole might make you feel 'superior', it is a 100% false statement. I request a valid link that shows no asylum seekers have been processed and permitted to enter the US.

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Our detention facilities are over-flowing because Trump will not process asylum claims and allow refugees to enter the US lawfully.
In contradiction to your statement:
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As of July 2018, there were over 733,000 pending immigration cases and the average wait time for an immigration hearing was 721 days. The backlog has been worsening over the past decade as the funding for immigration judges has failed to keep pace with an increasing case load.
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According to his voters, that seems to be one of his most redeeming qualities....
Pelosi defends a member of her caucus calling the POTUS a MF then mockingly offers $1 for wall funding. Oh wait, that was too much for the rabid Trump hating Resistance she had to rescind even that petulance.

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Pelosi was asked whether Democrats would accept “even a dollar” for construction of Trump’s border wall, the bone of contention between Democrats and the administration in a budget battle that centers on funding a wall on the Mexican border.

“A dollar? A dollar? Yeah, one dollar,” Pelosi joked.

But she changed her mind a short time later. “We’re not doing a wall. Does anybody have any doubt about that? We are not doing a wall. So that’s that. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with: The wall is an immorality between countries. It’s an old way of thinking [and] it isn’t cost effective
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadlin...202528950/amp/

Note the childish regression to talking points by Pelosi to cover over even the slightest appearance of working with the President.

Worse still, Pelosi and Schumer can't even display simple adult courtesy by listening to a presentation from officials charged with maintaining border security, instead Nancy Pelosi insisted on interrupting constantly a tactic familiar to anyone who has had to deal with 2 year olds.

It's Trump who has been saddled with the task of dealing with pre adolescent behaving Democrats, veterans of the DC swamp so embued with their own entitlement they can mouth pious concerns about government employees suffering from a shut down then depart on luxury vacations to Hawaii. The President canceled his travel plans to try to make a deal but he is the 2 year old.
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Unlike in 2006 when Democrats overwhelmingly voted to fund about 700 miles of very specific and strategic barriers to pedestrian and vehicle traffic based upon the advice of experts in border security President Trump doesn't have any experts on border security claiming that building a "wall" in undefined areas along the US-Mexico border is superior to using the same funds for other border security purposes.

The Democrats have promised to address border security when the shutdown is over and that's what the American people want, Donald Trump will not agree to discussing border security after the shutdown is over but instead is demanding a wall that experts on border security don't support as a wise spending measure. Most of Trump's expressed concerns don't even relate to a border wall. Terrorists don't enter the United States by illegally crossing the border and they don't come from Mexico. The Wall doesn't stop terrorists. Drugs enter the United States through US ports of entry in vehicles. The Wall doesn't stop drug smuggling. The recent increase in illegal border crossing are by refugees that tried to enter the US lawfully but where refused the opportunity to apply for asylum and turned away at a port of entry by the Border Patrol at the direction of President Trump.

The two children that died in US custody wouldn't have died if the parent(s) were allowed to apply for asylum and enter the US lawfully at a port of entry in compliance with our laws.

Our detention facilities are over-flowing because Trump will not process asylum claims and allow refugees to enter the US lawfully.

If Trump follows the Refugee Act of 1980 and our current immigration laws there wouldn't be over 5,000 refugees stuck on the Mexican side of the border, creating a humanitarian crisis, while waiting to be allowed to lawfully enter the United State but Trump doesn't follow those laws.
The Democrats succeeded with that give us something now in exchange for something we want to be named later during Reagan. We're still waiting. Fool me once is a lesson learned. I propose the opposite. Fund the budget now and you get what you want later. Other than Hillary winning and Trump gone, do the Democrats know what they want? Sorry, we can't give you that.

The two dead children? They were brought along on a several thousand mile trek and when it became apparent that they were beyond saving they were dumped on the border patrols. 8 hours later they died of illnesses that took a week or more to incubate. In one case the father refused medical assistance.

Other than that, your post is just more unsupported babbling.
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The Democrats succeeded with that give us something now in exchange for something we want to be named later during Reagan. We're still waiting. Fool me once is a lesson learned. I propose the opposite. Fund the budget now and you get what you want later. Other than Hillary winning and Trump gone, do the Democrats know what they want? Sorry, we can't give you that.

The two dead children? They were brought along on a several thousand mile trek and when it became apparent that they were beyond saving they were dumped on the border patrols. 8 hours later they died of illnesses that took a week or more to incubate. In one case the father refused medical assistance.

Other than that, your post is just more unsupported babbling.
Don't forget the death of the 2 children is a horrible humanitarian crisis but when it comes to building a wall so it's less likely children will be abused as pawns in the deadly game of illegal immigration there is no crisis or any kind of urgency to be found.
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Yesterday I watched a Congressman who was present at that meeting state that Trump didn't pound the table and storm out. That link is gone from my youtube and I haven't found it again, but if I do, I'll post it. Anyway, there was no table-pounding; he just walked out when he realized Pelosi and her cronies wouldn't budge on wall funding. They were OK with a 60-billion-dollar foreign aid package, but not the small percentage of that amount needed to fund the wall.

Pelosi, Schumer and their corrupt, deep-state cronies are lying as usual. The same people who oppose the wall now, claimed it was needed during previous administrations. The only thing that has changed is their hatred of Trump and their petty agenda to oppose anything he supports. This hypocrisy is blatant yet some people still support them and believe their lies.

One of the lies I see being passed around by the clueless, regressive left is that few illegal migrants come across the border. Tell that to the Border patrol agents who have been harmed, and the people repelling the thousands in the last caravan and those who will work against the other caravans that are forming. This is nothing less than an invasion of our borders funded by anti-American globalists like Soros. The goal is to impoverish us by forcing us to fund services for anyone who wants to come here, because a poor country is more easily controlled. The handwriting is on the wall, but the Deep State, with its control of the propaganda/fake news in the MSM is making the clueless and easily-brainwashed believe otherwise.
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Yesterday I watched a Congressman who was present at that meeting state that Trump didn't pound the table and storm out. That link is gone from my youtube and I haven't found it again, but if I do, I'll post it. Anyway, there was no table-pounding; he just walked out when he realized Pelosi and her cronies wouldn't budge on wall funding. They were OK with a 60-billion-dollar foreign aid package, but not the small percentage of that amount needed to fund the wall.

Pelosi, Schumer and their corrupt, deep-state cronies are lying as usual. The same people who oppose the wall now, claimed it was needed during previous administrations. The only thing that has changed is their hatred of Trump and their petty agenda to oppose anything he supports. This hypocrisy is blatant yet some people still support them and believe their lies.

One of the lies I see being passed around by the clueless, regressive left is that few illegal migrants come across the border. Tell that to the Border patrol agents who have been harmed, and the people repelling the thousands in the last caravan and those who will work against the other caravans that are forming. This is nothing less than an invasion of our borders funded by anti-American globalists like Soros. The goal is to impoverish us by forcing us to fund services for anyone who wants to come here, because a poor country is more easily controlled. The handwriting is on the wall, but the Deep State, with its control of the propaganda/fake news in the MSM is making the clueless and easily-brainwashed believe otherwise.
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"The president walked into the room and passed out candy," Vice President Mike Pence said. "I don't recall him ever raising his voice or slamming his hand."
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/201...ct-wall-money/
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Pelosi, D-Calif., said after the meeting that the president was “petulant." Schumer said Trump slammed his hand on a table in frustration, but Vice President Mike Pence and other Republicans, speaking to reporters afterward, denied that happened.
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"I just listened to Senator Schumer,” McCarthy, a California Republican, said. “I know he complained the time that you had cameras in the meeting. I think we need to bring them back. Because what he described the meeting to be is totally different than what took place."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ts-border-wall
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I would say our president knows that its a waste of time to continue a meeting where his goals are not going to be accomplished. I am sure if something similar happened during Obama's presidency you would be pointing that out instead of calling him a two year old.
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Can't blame Trump for walkin' out. If Pelosi and Company don't wanna negotiate then no point talkin'. Maybe next time she'll actually try and bring sensible talk to the table.
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Yesterday I watched a Congressman who was present at that meeting state that Trump didn't pound the table and storm out. That link is gone from my youtube and I haven't found it again, but if I do, I'll post it. Anyway, there was no table-pounding; he just walked out when he realized Pelosi and her cronies wouldn't budge on wall funding. They were OK with a 60-billion-dollar foreign aid package, but not the small percentage of that amount needed to fund the wall.

Pelosi, Schumer and their corrupt, deep-state cronies are lying as usual. The same people who oppose the wall now, claimed it was needed during previous administrations. The only thing that has changed is their hatred of Trump and their petty agenda to oppose anything he supports. This hypocrisy is blatant yet some people still support them and believe their lies.

One of the lies I see being passed around by the clueless, regressive left is that few illegal migrants come across the border. Tell that to the Border patrol agents who have been harmed, and the people repelling the thousands in the last caravan and those who will work against the other caravans that are forming. This is nothing less than an invasion of our borders funded by anti-American globalists like Soros. The goal is to impoverish us by forcing us to fund services for anyone who wants to come here, because a poor country is more easily controlled. The handwriting is on the wall, but the Deep State, with its control of the propaganda/fake news in the MSM is making the clueless and easily-brainwashed believe otherwise.
Ask yourself which one of these players it is who we know without a doubt lies every day?
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I would say our president knows that its a waste of time to continue a meeting where his goals are not going to be accomplished. I am sure if something similar happened during Obama's presidency you would be pointing that out instead of calling him a two year old.
what is not disputed is he walked in asked pelosi if she would give him the 5 mil for the wall and he stormed out.
no negotiation no discussion.
what a way to run an airline.
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