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Old 01-09-2019, 05:28 PM
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Insulting to claim the border crisis is manufactured when there's real Americans getting murdered.

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There is a sense of interconnectedness between these borders towns and their Mexican counterparts. Each day, about one million people cross the border from either side for shopping, business and recreation. Itís common to see children coming into the United States from Mexico to go to school, and thousands of United States citizens who live in Mexican border towns commute to work in American cities every day.
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And despite claims that border communities are crime-ridden or overrun by drug cartels, the truth is these towns and cities tend to be safe: From 2011 to 2015, all but one of the 23 United States counties along the border had violent-crime rates lower than the national average for similar counties, according to federal crime data analyzed by Christopher E. Wilson, deputy director of the Mexico Institute at the Wilson Center in Washington.
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While illegal border crossings and drug smuggling continue, years of increased spending on border security means that federal authorities now know more about whatís happening on the border. Apprehensions of migrants at the border, which are used by the Department of Homeland Security as a measure of illegal entry, have been on a general downward trend since the mid-2000s, data shows. Predator drones fly over the border daily, along with tethered surveillance blimps repurposed from their use by the military to track the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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Federal agents deploy thousands of sensors that can detect movement. And there are more than 17,000 Border Patrol agents patrolling on land and water, along with thousands of customs officers manning the southwest borderís 48 ports of entry. Nearly 700 miles of border are already fenced off ó all before President Trumpís proposed border wall is completed. But still there is a sense of normalcy there, of people just trying to get through their days and weeks.
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The MSM is getting ripped today for their "fact checking" on Trump's speech. It was nothin' but partisan spin.

Sad when the fact checkers need to be fact checked.
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The MSM is getting ripped today for their "fact checking" on Trump's speech. It was nothin' but partisan spin.

Sad when the fact checkers need to be fact checked.

other than msnbc or cnn fact checked
and honestly you can do it yourself and easily see he lied about 4,000 suspected terrorists at the Mexican border. there were 6. the 4,000 number is true but the other 3,994 were at the airport.
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:53 PM
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Jello Prediction - Libs will have nothin' but negative things to say 'bout Trump's speech tonight.
There are actually several things good to say about Trump's address to the nation because he raised some good points but it's not exactly what Trump probably intended.

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"Tonight, I am speaking to you because there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border.
There isn't a security crisis at our Southern border because the "hordes" of people coming from Central America are refugees that want to be allowed to apply for asylum and enter the United States legally under our laws.

On the other hand the statement about a humanitarian crisis is absolutely true but the crisis isn't in the United States.

The humanitarian crisis refers to the refugees that make the arduous, often dangerous, trip from Central American to be allowed to apply for asylum and enter the United States lawfully. The humanitarian crisis is that the Trump administration isn't allowing these refugees to apply for asylum when they reach a port of entry, in compliance with our laws, so thousands of them are backed up in very dire circumstances on the Mexican side of the border as the wait often for months to be allowed to lawfully enter the United States while the Trump administration is intentionally stonewalling the asylum application process.

Refugees waiting to lawfully enter the United States, that are suffering a humanitarian crisis, has nothing to do with "The Wall" that Trump keeps demanding.

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"Every day customs and border patrol agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country."
That is true but the majority of "illegal immigrants" (over 700,000 a year) are entering the United States lawfully on a visa and then overstaying their visa. They're not crossing the Southern border and don't even come from South of the US-Mexico border. Most are Canadians.

A wall doesn't solve this problem and doesn't even remotely address it.

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We are out of space to hold them and we have no way to promptly return them back home to their country.
Historically there have always been those that illegally cross our border with Mexico and overwhelmingly this was related to individual men that were attempting to enter the United States for employment. Yes, there was the rare gang member or even an occasional drug smuggle but those were rare cases. The number of these historical people that illegally enter the United States, relatively speaking, is at an all time low. There was a much larger number coming in previously and we didn't have any real problems with adequate detention facilities or any problems related to deportation.

Now there is a difference. Refugees that arrive at a US port of entry are being denied their right, under our law, to apply for asylum and to be admitted into the United States lawfully with one of the Refugee visas provided for by Congress. They arrive only to find thousands of refugees that arrived before them waiting to be allowed to apply for asylum and entire situation is a humanitarian disaster of epic proportions because the Trump administration isn't following the law by refusing to allow refugees to apply for asylum when they arrive at a US port of entry.

They're faced with a bleak situation when it comes to waiting, at least for months and perhaps even a year, just to apply for asylum but there's another way to apply for asylum. If they're in the United States they can go to the Border Patrol to apply for asylum and receive the protections asylum offers. To do this they must undertake another a perilous journey through the desert, often relying on "coyotes" (smugglers) to show them the way but they've just completed one from Central America to the US border and that journey, in their opinion, is better than living in the humanitarian crisis with those simply waiting on the Trump administration perhaps follow the law and allow them into the United States. So they make that dangerous journey, often with their children that they're trying to protect, and when they get here they go to the Border Patrol.

And the Border Patrol arrests them and throws them into detention centers. The Border Patrol has to allow them to apply for asylum but instead of asylum protecting them they find themselves incarcerated, often having their children taken from them, without any logical reason for the incarceration. The asylum law protects them from prosecution for unlawful entry and from deportation proceedings. They don't represent a threat to society or a flight risk to avoid going to court on their immigration hearing (the reason they're here to begin with) so there's no reason whatsoever for them to be held in detention at all.

Not the way the Trump administration sees it. Instead of being set free and allowed temporary residency until their immigration court hearing the Trump administrations keeps them locked up for no reason other than spite or hate.

So yes, Trump brought up some very valid points and I've only addressed the first paragraph of his address. And in looking at the three issues Trump identified in his first paragraph the underlying problem in all three cases is that President Trump is not processing refugee applications at US ports of entry in a timely manner and instead has created a humanitarian crisis on the Mexican side of the border for refugees that should have been processed and allowed into the United States within days of arriving at our border.
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Libs have already decided they hated the speech and have negative things to say 'bout it.
Nailed that one. Dumb and Dumber came out with their rebuttal speech 'bout 2 minutes after Trump ended his address, which tells ya it was already written.

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Jello Prediction - Libs will have nothin' but negative things to say 'bout Trump's speech tonight.

Not a hard prediction. Libs are obstructionists and would starve themselves to death if Trump said food was good for ya.
Oh, look; either I'm psychic or libs are predictable. Since I haven't picked any winning lottery numbers I'm gonna go with the latter.
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