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A federal judge has ordered the partial release of a Watergate report that fueled an impeachment drive against President Richard Nixon and could serve as a precedent for a similar effort aimed at President Donald Trump.

Chief U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell granted a request Thursday to unseal a large chunk of the so-called road map that a federal grand jury in Washington sent to the House Judiciary Committee in early 1974.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...d-trump-896046

As much as the White House and GOP members of Congress want to prevent the Mueller investigation from releasing information that can implicate President Trump in obstruction of justice and his campaign of conspiring with the Russians the "roadmap" bypasses the submittal of a report to the DOJ for approval to submit to the Congress (and the American people). The report outlining the facts and evidence is submitted by the Grand Jury and does not require approval by the DOJ.

President Trump can fire Rod Rosenstein and Jeff Sessions and a new Attorney General can even fire Robert Mueller but it won't stop the information and evidence from Mueller's investigation from being submitted to Congress and made available to the public. The Attorney General cannot stop a Grand Jury from submitting the evidence gathered during the investigation to Congress by the Grand Jury.

We'll learn the truth in spite of the obstructionism of the GOP and President Trump.
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As much as the White House and GOP members of Congress want to prevent the Mueller investigation from releasing information that can implicate President Trump in obstruction of justice and his campaign of conspiring with the Russians the "roadmap" bypasses the submittal of a report to the DOJ for approval to submit to the Congress (and the American people). The report outlining the facts and evidence is submitted by the Grand Jury and does not require approval by the DOJ.

President Trump can fire Rod Rosenstein and Jeff Sessions and a new Attorney General can even fire Robert Mueller but it won't stop the information and evidence from Mueller's investigation from being submitted to Congress and made available to the public. The Attorney General cannot stop a Grand Jury from submitting the evidence gathered during the investigation to Congress by the Grand Jury.

We'll learn the truth in spite of the obstructionism of the GOP and President Trump.
Seriously? Now President Trump is going to be impeached because Nixon?

If you want to get rid of President Trump, your best bet is to defeat him in 2020. Far, far, less likely is to take both houses in a couple weeks. To do that you need a better message and better candidates. You have neither.
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Seriously? Now President Trump is going to be impeached because Nixon?

If you want to get rid of President Trump, your best bet is to defeat him in 2020. Far, far, less likely is to take both houses in a couple weeks. To do that you need a better message and better candidates. You have neither.
No one claims that Trump will be impeached based upon the Mueller investigation. What the release of the Roadmap ensures that if there are grounds for impeachment the President, the Attorney General, and the GOP members of Congress will not be able to bury that evidence.
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No one claims that Trump will be impeached based upon the Mueller investigation. What the release of the Roadmap ensures that if there are grounds for impeachment the President, the Attorney General, and the GOP members of Congress will not be able to bury that evidence.
Noted that impeachment has become an "if"rather than a when. You've made your position on Trump impeachment clear. It's not if.

Again though. Judge ordered released a PARTIAL report of a Nixon era document. And now President Trump is in deep doodoo?

That's a stretch.
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Noted that impeachment has become an "if"rather than a when. You've made your position on Trump impeachment clear. It's not if.

Again though. Judge ordered released a PARTIAL report of a Nixon era document. And now President Trump is in deep doodoo?

That's a stretch.
I say the best chance is after Trump finishes his second term.
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I say the best chance is after Trump finishes his second term.
True, but then the left gets Pence or similar.

Same song. 3rd and 4th verses.
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True, but then the left gets Pence or similar.

Same song. 3rd and 4th verses.
I think the right for the most part overestimates the power of the left. They have nothing but mouth and noise.
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Noted that impeachment has become an "if"rather than a when. You've made your position on Trump impeachment clear. It's not if.

Again though. Judge ordered released a PARTIAL report of a Nixon era document. And now President Trump is in deep doodoo?

That's a stretch.
Once again we have information reported by the press and we know that the Mueller investigation has certainly addressed what's been reported as well as much more that we don't know about because the Mueller investigation has followed DOJ and FBI policy of not releasing any investigation results except as necessary for criminal prosecutions already being conducted.

Based upon what's been publicly reported and a layman's understanding of the law it's my opinion that more than enough evidence exists for the impeachment, removal from office, indictment, and successful prosecution of President Trump for numerous violations of the law. Historically we also know that just violating the law by a president doesn't necessarily result in impeachment, removal from office, or criminal prosecution.

So yes, it's my opinion that there's ample evidence for the criminal prosecution of the President and that can result in the political impeachment of President Trump. That doesn't imply removal from office because Republicans will still have enough seats in the Senate to block Trump's removal from office regardless of what the Article of Impeachment might establish.

What Mueller's investigation has found will certainly carry a lot of political importance when made public as it relates to impeachment and removal from office.

Yes, the judge limited the release of information specifically to the Grand Jury authority (Roadmap) to directly release the results of it's investigation, that includes the information from the Mueller investigation, to the Congress and that cannot be blocked by the DOJ, the executive branch, or Congress. If it's released to all members of Congress then the public will become informed of the contents of the report either by direct release or by Congressional leaks.

What is important is that the release of the investigation results will not be stopped by anyone for any political reason.
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I say the best chance is after Trump finishes his second term.
The Mueller investigation isn't going to last nearly that long and the Grand Jury has the authority to directly release the results of the investigation to all members of Congress by-passing the DOJ, executive branch, and Congressional authority.

The American people have the right to know the facts.
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The American people have the right to know the facts.
Hillary doesn't think so.
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