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Old 08-22-2018, 10:41 AM
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It's not a conspiracy with the Russians but it's still a criminal conspiracy by Donald Trump to win the 2016 election.

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[Cohen] pleaded guilty to two campaign finance charges: An unlawful corporate contribution; and making an excessive personal contribution, both for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election.

On count seven, the illegal corporate contribution, he said that, in the summer of 2016 – in coordination with and “at the request of” a candidate for federal office, in order “to keep an individual with information that would be harmful to the candidate and the campaign from publicly disclosing this information,” he arranged a payment through a media company of which he was the chief executive.

“She received compensation of $150,000.” This was done “for the principal purpose of influencing the election”.

On count eight – the illegal excessive campaign contribution – he said that, in coordination with the candidate, he “arranged to make a payment to a second individual with information that would be harmful to the candidate and the campaign”. He said he used a company under his control and paid $130,000. These funds “were later repaid to me by the candidate”.

This was done “for the principal purpose of influencing the election”.

The assistant US attorney, Andrea Griswold, reviewed what would have been the government’s case.

On illegal contributions: “These payments were made in order to ensure that each recipient did not publicise their stories” about “alleged affairs with the candidate”.

She said the government had texts, phone and email records, and statements from the individuals involved as evidence.

Asked how he now pleaded, Cohen said: “Guilty, your Honor.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ive/ar-BBMgdHK

Donald Trump was obviously the "candidate" being referred to, the payments were to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, and David J Pecker is the CEO of American Media Inc that owns the National Inquirer that purchased Karen McDougal's story so that it could suppress it before the election.

There is the bogus legal argument that Donald Trump didn't violate the campaign finance laws because those laws do not limit contributions by the candidate to their own campaign. This argument fails because Donald Trump didn't pay Michael Cohen. The Trump Organization paid Michael Cohen so it wasn't a contribution by Donald Trump. Trump would be liable under criminal law because Trump is the CEO of the Trump Organization that authorized the illegal contribution.
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tangible, not theoretical and it didn't come from Mueller
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“for the principal purpose of influencing the election”.
Would it have been legal if the principle purpose was because he didn't want his wife to know?
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It's not a conspiracy with the Russians but it's still a criminal conspiracy by Donald Trump to win the 2016 election.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ive/ar-BBMgdHK

Donald Trump was obviously the "candidate" being referred to, the payments were to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, and David J Pecker is the CEO of American Media Inc that owns the National Inquirer that purchased Karen McDougal's story so that it could suppress it before the election.

There is the bogus legal argument that Donald Trump didn't violate the campaign finance laws because those laws do not limit contributions by the candidate to their own campaign. This argument fails because Donald Trump didn't pay Michael Cohen. The Trump Organization paid Michael Cohen so it wasn't a contribution by Donald Trump. Trump would be liable under criminal law because Trump is the CEO of the Trump Organization that authorized the illegal contribution.
Remind me to never use your law practice.


Cohen did a plea bargain. It is a guilty plea. It is a plea bargain between a prosecutor and a criminal. A criminal who doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life in prison. This is not a precedent. It applies only to that specific case.


The law says;
A campaign expenditure, under our federal campaign laws, is an expenditure solely for campaign activity. A candidate who spends his own money or even corporate money for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign, it is not a campaign expenditure.

No one cite's a "plea bargain" as a legal precedent. Just because a prosecutor says that somebody violated a campaign law doesn’t make it so. He is not the judge. He is not the jury. That statement never went to court. So,,,; No precedent, and no validity of the Prosecutor's opinion.

Prosecutor's practice the law. They do not make it or change it.

Unless Cohen has a tape were Trump tells him to take campaign funds and give it to Karen and/l or Stormy, there is nothing with which to put Trump in the crosshairs but Left wing spin.
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Would it have been legal if the principle purpose was because he didn't want his wife to know?
No probably not. People pay, and take, shut up money all the time; they are called non disclosure agreements.

And beyond that, what really matters is who actually uttered these words;

“for the principal purpose of influencing the election”.

If the Donald said them, and somebody other than a self-admitted
multi felon heard them, then it could be a problem for Trump.

However if those words just represent Cohen's interpretation of what he thought Trump meant, as the reason for the payment, then that is a different story altogether.
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Remind me to never use your law practice.


Cohen did a plea bargain. It is a guilty plea. It is a plea bargain between a prosecutor and a criminal. A criminal who doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life in prison. This is not a precedent. It applies only to that specific case.


The law says;
A campaign expenditure, under our federal campaign laws, is an expenditure solely for campaign activity. A candidate who spends his own money or even corporate money for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign, it is not a campaign expenditure.

No one cite's a "plea bargain" as a legal precedent. Just because a prosecutor says that somebody violated a campaign law doesn’t make it so. He is not the judge. He is not the jury. That statement never went to court. So,,,; No precedent, and no validity of the Prosecutor's opinion.

Prosecutor's practice the law. They do not make it or change it.

Unless Cohen has a tape were Trump tells him to take campaign funds and give it to Karen and/l or Stormy, there is nothing with which to put Trump in the crosshairs but Left wing spin.
yes he does have a tape. We heard it. Quite awhile ago.
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The funniest part of this is the use of the term “for the principal purpose of influencing the election”...

If these payments were made, they were made to PREVENT these women from "influencing the election”...

It's simply astounding that the Left can call "payments made to prevent others from influencing an election" actually "influencing an election...
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And by the way...Campaign violations are a CIVIL issue...Not a CRIMINAL issue...

If it were criminal, Obama would've been in jail or impeached by now...

From Politico in 2013...

Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

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President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.

The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008
But of course, when it's Obama, it's "different"...
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The funniest part of this is the use of the term “for the principal purpose of influencing the election”...

If these payments were made, they were made to PREVENT these women from "influencing the election”...

It's simply astounding that the Left can call "payments made to prevent others from influencing an election" actually "influencing an election...
what else could you call it?
had the stories gotten out it might have tipped the election the other way. I think this the same thing John Edwards was prosecuted for.
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Would it have been legal if the principle purpose was because he didn't want his wife to know?
No. That would only be the case if the only purpose was to prevent his wife from knowing. Had that been the case the payments would have been made years ago and not weeks before the election.

Let's remember that not only does the DOJ have supplemental evidence (texts, emails, and/or other hard evidence) to verify Cohen's statements that the payments were about the election. There's no evidence whatsoever that it was about preventing Melania from knowing about the affairs. It's also extremely doubtful that Melania doesn't know that "The Donald" has been having sexual affairs during there entire marriage. She's not that stupid.

Yesterday on Fox News Trump actually admitted to the campaign finance violations by hiding the money from the government when he said he didn't use campaign money, didn't report the expenditures, and instead used his own (Trump Organization) money for the payments.

Trump tried to equate his intentional and premeditated efforts to avoid reporting campaign financing and expenditures, a felony, with a civil fine imposed on the Obama campaign for a late disclosure of campaign revenue where no attempt was made to hide the revenue.
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