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And the investigation may have already led to Russia, however, Mr Rosenstein directed Mr Mueller to pursue anything else that came up during over all Russia investigation
There is no evidence leading to Russian collusion on the part of the Trump campaign. Resistance zealots take shelter in the delusion of Mueller having secret evidence proving collusion just as they did with secret intelligence proving the claims of intelligence agencies.

Mueller's charter is supposedly to investigate matters related to Russian collusion. None of the Trump allies individuals attacked by Mueller's witchhunt have been charged or convicted or pled guilty to anything related to Russian collusion. Even the Resistance narrative has shifted to extravagant claims of Trump corruption aided by an incurious media dedicated to undermining the last election.
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The top 2 articles in the Bush impeachment document have to do with the administration following intelligence agencies assessments. But when President Trump questions the so-called intelligence community conclusion of Russian hacking it's treason. It's classic Democrat double talk.
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(1) illegally spent public dollars on a secret propaganda program to manufacture a false cause for war against Iraq;
(2) misused intelligence reports to deceive Congress and the public about a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda and the the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001;
Article 1 doesn't have anything to do with the 2002 assessment of Iraq's WMD programs. It's about using dollars for propaganda purposes that were not based upon the 2002 report on Iraq's WMD's.

Article 2 is not based upon our intelligence agencies reports. There was never any intelligence report that connected al Qaeda with Saddam Hussain. Al Qaeda, a Shi'ite terrorist organization, was the enemy of the Baath Party and Saddam Hussain that were Sunni Muslims. President Bush never actually claimed any connection between Saddam and al Qaeda but did imply that connection repeatedly by using the two in the same statements.

The Bush administration was nefarious in citing US intelligence because there wasn't a unanimous consensus in 2002 that Iraq had WMD's. Bush had ordered a report on Iraq's WMD programs and the result was basically information from prior to the Gulf War and testimony from Iraqi expatriates that were enemies of Saddam, wanting him overthrown, and had leftn Iraq prior to the Gulf War. The Bush administration nefariously ignored the current intelligence coming from inside Iraq by the UN Weapons inspectors that stated Iraq didn't have any WMD programs and they had been unable to find any evidence of hidden stockpiles of WMD's even when the US and our allies were providing them with locations to inspect.

Once again Bush wasn't impeached because he only had six more months in office. None of the listed Articles of Impeachment were ever reviewed by the Judiciary Committee so none of them can even be considered to be valid. Of primary importance our intelligence agencies couldn't even provide a unanimous conclusion that Iraq had any WMD's. We know that those in the US intelligence agencies that reached to conclusion that Iraq had WMD's did so without any actual evidence of current WMD's in Iraq.

On the other hand the conclusion that Russia was working for the benefit of the Trump campaign is a unanimous conclusion of all of the top intelligence agencies for both the Obama and Trump administrations and this conclusion has been verified by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee.

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The formulation claiming the Trump administration colluded with the Russians by using emails available in the public domain achieves a new level of Resistance lunacy. Somehow public information is evidence of collusion. Embarrassing information showing Democrat corruption must be censored in the public interest.
That's not the allegation. The conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians came before Russian intelligence released the emails through DCLeaks and WikiLeaks.

Let's establish the crime. Rep. Devin Nunes Nunes (R-Cal.), speaking at a closed-door event for Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), was recorded making the following statement.

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Nunes: ďNow if somebody thinks that my campaign or Cathyís campaign is colluding with the Chinese, or you name the country, hey, could happen, it would be a very bad thing if Cathy was getting secrets from the Portuguese, letís say, just because Iím Portuguese, my family was. So Cathy was getting secret information from the Portuguese. You know, may or may not be unusual. But ultimately letís say the Portuguese came and brought her some stolen emails. And she decided to release those. Okay, now we have a problem, right? Because somebody stole the emails, gave Ďem to Cathy, Cathy released Ďem. Well, if thatís the case, then thatís criminal.Ē
https://hillreporter.com/damaging-se...ear-trump-5429

It's an analogy so let's remove the analogy.

If the Russians came to a political campaign and provided stolen emails for the use of the candidate then that is a criminal offense. It's also a criminal offense to "conspire to commit a criminal act."

Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort (that had a "to-do list for Russia" as the Trump Campaign Chairman from Putin oligarch Oleg Deripaska) went to a meeting with Russians acting on behalf of Russian intelligence to secure stolen emails that were in the possession of Russian intelligence. To solicit those emails from the Russians was the "Conspiracy to commit a criminal act" under the law.

We know from the meeting that Putin wanted economic sanctions against Russia lifted if Trump was elected and every indication is that Trump, the only person that could make that agreement, was fully intending to lift those sanctions and even directed the State Department to address lifting those sanction immediately upon taking office. The evidence of a quid pro quo agreement directly between Donald Trump and "Putin" to secure Russian support for his campaign is substantial. Putin doesn't do anything for "free" and has always leveraged any advantage he as to the maximum. Donald Trump has no scruples and has never cared about the law if he thought he could get away with violating the law to his advantage.

We should also note that Manafort was convicted on 8 of 18 counts for bank fraud and money laundering and would have been convicted of all 18 counts was it not for a single member of the jury that claimed there was a reasonable doubt but refused or was unable to tell the other members of the jury the basis for reasonable doubt. All of the income that was hidden came from RUSSIA or in support of RUSSAIN interests in the Ukraine.

In the next trial coming up Manafort is accused of being an unregistered foreign agent for Russia while he was the chairman of the Trump Campaign. When your campaign chairman is an agent of the Russians that actively pushed the Russian agenda it's impossible to claim that there was no collusion between the campaign and the Russians. Manafort changed the Republican Platform on Russia because he was an agent of Russia.

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You can try deflecting the fact that Hillary's campaign funded the dirty dossier or that Obama administration officials used the unproven allegations in it to secure secret surveillance warrants on a political adversary but that doesn't detract from the fact they used the Federal government to conduct a campaign of political sabotage. The denials and deflections just expose the blind hatred of the Resistance.
There's no record of any contract between the DNC/Clinton campaign and Orbis Business Intelligence (Christopher Steele) or of any payments from the DDNC/Clinton campaign and Orbis Business Intelligence (Christopher Steele). The fact is that DNC/Clinton campaign had no knowledge of or any business dealings with Orbis Business Intelligence (Christopher Steele). Steele had no knowledge of the DNC/Clinton campaign either. No money and no directions were ever passed between them directly or indirectly and the Steele memos to the FBI were never provided to the DNC/Clinton campaign by Orbis Business Intelligence (Christopher Steele).

The Steele "Dossier" has absolutely nothing to do with the "opposition research" that the DNC/Clinton campaign contracted for with Fusion GPS and none of the "Dossier" was paid for by the DNC/Clinton campaign. All money paid to Orbis Business Intelligence came from Fusion GPS and not from the DMC/Clinton campaign.

The FISA warrants of Carter Page were a result of the FBI interests in Carter Page as an unregistered foreign agent for the Russian government and that investigation began in 2013. It had nothing to do with the Trump campaign and the FISA warrants were not issued while Page was a member of the Trump Organization. The DOJ, in an unprecedented action, released the entire FISA application (redacted as needed) which established that the "Dossier" information was not critical in obtaining the initial surveillance and was fundamentally irrelevant completely to the three renewals of the warrant. The Obama White House has nothing to do with any of this because the Obama Administration was never involved in the actions of the DOJ.

All of the Fox News, Rudy Giuliani, Devon Nunes, and Donald Trump conspiracy theories have been debunked by the facts.

The Trump campaign was protected by DOJ policy under AG Loretta Lynch and FBI policy under Director James Comey (that screwed the Clinton campaign by violating DOJ/FBI policy) that was followed to the letter where no information about an ongoing criminal investigation was being released. That protection has continued after the firing of Comey when Robert Mueller was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. No leaks about the investigation came from the FBI or the Special Council that would have been harmful (or helpful) to Donald Trump. The only thing coming from the Mueller investigation has been dozens of indictments and five convictions of individuals associated with Donald Trump's campaign and administration so far.

More federal criminal indictments are on the way plus probable state charges from the NY Attorney General's Office and local charges from the Manhattan Prosecutor's Office. The state and local charges will focus on Trump's family as well as Trump personally for one simple reason.

Donald Trump has been operating a criminal organization for years and it involves Trump, Trump Jr. Eric Trump, Jared Kushner and others. Donald Trump, unless he receives a pardon or clemency from a future president, is going to be prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to prison because Trump is a criminal. Get ready because it's going to happen.

This has nothing to do with the Democrats or Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama or even Rod Rosenstein or Jeff Sessions. This is all about the fact that Trump is a criminal and no one is above the law in the United States.
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Well said sir. You and others in this thread have done your usual good job in debunking Shiva, a regularly dishonest source of bunkem. You all did such a good job I'll only point out one long time and well documented lie/fundamental lack of intellectual honesty of Shiva's part.

Despite the fact that it has been pointed out to him over and over, "honest" Shiva just can't stop trying to drag his "treason" argument into his TDS harangues. Usually he just runs away and hides when his lack of honesty and ability to retain documented information that rebuts him comes up. Only to pop up again another day and repeat the same chitt. So whether he is a just hack of a dishonest POS or run of the mill dishonest troll, since the result is the same? Who cares. He's very comfortable brining up the same well documented and well debunked "argument" over and over again, like an intellectually dishonest broken record that can't learn from his past mistakes. He'll just keep making the same one and expecting the rest of us to what? Pat him on the back for his special dishonest ability to pretend that previously debunked arguments about Trump's "treason" have not been addressed over and over and over again. He is obviously perplexed why nobody buys what he is selling.

Hey, remember this?


FLASHBACK: Remember When Obama Campaign Was Fined $375,000 for Campaign Reporting Violations AND NO JAIL TIME?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/flashback-remember-when-obama-campaign-was-fined-375000-for-campaign-reporting-violations-and-no-jail-time/


Typical Schochite response attacks the messenger then deflect. WELL DONE!!
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There is no evidence leading to Russian collusion on the part of the Trump campaign. Resistance zealots take shelter in the delusion of Mueller having secret evidence proving collusion just as they did with secret intelligence proving the claims of intelligence agencies.

Mueller's charter is supposedly to investigate matters related to Russian collusion. None of the Trump allies individuals attacked by Mueller's witchhunt have been charged or convicted or pled guilty to anything related to Russian collusion. Even the Resistance narrative has shifted to extravagant claims of Trump corruption aided by an incurious media dedicated to undermining the last election.
The Trump Tower meeting involved a conspiracy to commit a felony when members of the Trump campaign went to the meeting to secure stolen emails (that they were aware of) from the Russians. Stolen emails are just like other stolen property where it's a criminal act to be involved in the distribution of stolen goods.

Trump is now an unindicted co-conspirator to violate election campaign finance laws requiring public disclosure of campaign related revenue and expenditures, probably guilty of income tax fraud by claiming the payments from the Trump Organization (not Donald Trump the Candidate) were for "attorney fees" when they were to suppress public disclosure of sexual affairs before the election, possible money laundering to hide the source of the payments for an illegal purpose, and other criminal violations.

It was funny because earlier this week Sarah Sanders repeatedly stated the president hadn't been indicted for those crimes (because the DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting president) but never claimed that Trump didn't commit the crimes.
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