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Default Zinke caught red-handed trying to sell off public lands

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are all of these administrative guys thieves? Swamp things.

His plan included selling part of Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument.


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Environmental groups caught the Department of the Interior trying to sell off part of the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in Utah, despite a pledge by Secretary Ryan Zinke never to put public lands up for sale.

After massive backlash from environmental groups and the public, the Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management (BLM) late Friday canceled all plans to sell off the land. The 1,610 acres of public lands that the BLM proposed selling to private interests had been part of the Grand Staircase national monument until President Donald Trump — in an extremely controversial move — radically shrunk the size of the monument last December.
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“We believe the Department only walked it back because those who are closely reading the management plans brought this to light,” Nicole Croft, executive director of the Grand Staircase-Escalante Partners, said in a statement in response to the Interior Department changing its mind. Grand Staircase-Escalante Partners is a nonprofit group that works to protect the landscape and wildlife habitats the of the national monument

The environmental groups’ work “shows that diligence pays off and is likely an omen for what we’re going to uncover as we dive deeper into Secretary Zinke’s plans for leasing and decimating this national treasure,” Croft said.
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The Interior secretary has pledged on several occasions that he opposes the sale or transfer of public lands to private entities. At his confirmation hearing in January 2017, Zinke said: “I am absolutely against transfer or sale of public land.”

In a March 3, 2017 speech, only days after getting sworn in as secretary, Zinke promised Interior staffers: “You can hear it from my lips. We will not sell or transfer public land.”

Just last December, Zinke reiterated this pledge. “There’s not one square inch, not one square inch, of land that is removed from federal protection,” Zinke told Fox Business.

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But then last Wednesday, the Trump administration released its management plans for the much smaller Grand Staircase and Bears Ears national monuments — prepared by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service — that placed a priority on energy development and included the plan to sell off the 1,610 acres of public lands.

The plans cover the 880,000 acres carved out by Trump from Grand Staircase and the 200,000 acres remaining in Bears Ears from its original 1.35 million acres.

Either Zinke had a change of heart about selling off public lands or does not have a clear understanding of what his agency is doing.

“Does Secretary Zinke have any idea what’s going on inside the Interior Department? He was caught red-handed trying to sell off our public lands to his political supporters,” Jennifer Rokala, executive director of the Center for Western Priorities, said Friday in a statement. “It’s only after two days of terrible news stories that he is now changing direction.”

In December, Trump announced the largest-ever reduction of a national monument in the nation’s history, shrinking Bears Ears by some 1.1 million acres, or nearly 85 percent. Trump also announced that he would be reducing Grand Staircase to nearly half its original size.

Interior Deputy Secretary David Bernhardt took the fall for the inclusion of the planned sale in the BLM’s management plan for Grand Staircase. He issued a statement late Friday taking responsibility for the oversight that led to the plan to sell the 1,600 acres of public lands in Utah. “The failure to capture this inconsistency stops with me,” Bernhardt said.

Environmental groups were not convinced that the planned sale of public lands in Utah was a mistake.

“The attempt was more than just Zinke’s dirty scheme to illegally sell off public lands, as some of the land slated for sale is adjacent to land owned by an avid Trump supporter and a current Republican lawmaker in Utah,” the Sierra Club said Friday in a statement.

One parcel of the public land that the BLM proposed selling was a 120-acre property that sits adjacent to 40 acres owned by Utah state Rep. Mike Noel (R) and which were removed from the monument.

Noel applauded Trump’s decision to shrink the size of the Grand Escalante monument. He unsuccessfully attempted to rename a Utah highway after Trump to thank the president for the executive order, HuffPost reported last week.
Well dayum. At least they caught him-this time.
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Assuming stink progress is reporting accurately, not likely, the sale would represent less than 2% of the 880,000 acres removed from the park. Wow, what a scandal.

It is another fake news, phony scandal.
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Assuming stink progress is reporting accurately, not likely, the sale would represent less than 2% of the 880,000 acres removed from the park. Wow, what a scandal.

It is another fake news, phony scandal.
So it'd be Ok with you if someone ONLY sold 2% or your land away to others without your knowledge or permission?

While I think the gov't has too much Public land ... especially in the west and mid west... selling off to the highest bidders and/or cronies stinks.
gov't corruption 101.
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So it'd be Ok with you if someone ONLY sold 2% or your land away to others without your knowledge or permission?

While I think the gov't has too much Public land ... especially in the west and mid west... selling off to the highest bidders and/or cronies stinks.
gov't corruption 101.
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"But then last Wednesday, the Trump administration released its management plans for the much smaller Grand Staircase and Bears Ears national monuments — prepared by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service — that placed a priority on energy development and included the plan to sell off the 1,610 acres of public lands."

There is nothing secret about the plan. From its inception until the income tax was passed into law the primary source of revenue for the Federal government was sales of public lands. There is nothing unusual or secret about selling the land. It's only Resistance propaganda that paints the plan as some scandal they caught red handed.

You assert the Federal government has too much land but complain about plans to sell off a tiny portion of it. You can't have it both ways. Oh wait, it's not about the land, it's about attacking the Trump administration.
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"But then last Wednesday, the Trump administration released its management plans for the much smaller Grand Staircase and Bears Ears national monuments — prepared by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service — that placed a priority on energy development and included the plan to sell off the 1,610 acres of public lands."

There is nothing secret about the plan. From its inception until the income tax was passed into law the primary source of revenue for the Federal government was sales of public lands. There is nothing unusual or secret about selling the land. It's only Resistance propaganda that paints the plan as some scandal they caught red handed.

You assert the Federal government has too much land but complain about plans to sell off a tiny portion of it. You can't have it both ways. Oh wait, it's not about the land, it's about attacking the Trump administration.
the west doesn't have too much public land
we have just enough and trump and train need to leave it be
one thing we dont need is another mine
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"But then last Wednesday, the Trump administration released its management plans for the much smaller Grand Staircase and Bears Ears national monuments — prepared by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service — that placed a priority on energy development and included the plan to sell off the 1,610 acres of public lands."

There is nothing secret about the plan. From its inception until the income tax was passed into law the primary source of revenue for the Federal government was sales of public lands. There is nothing unusual or secret about selling the land. It's only Resistance propaganda that paints the plan as some scandal they caught red handed.

You assert the Federal government has too much land but complain about plans to sell off a tiny portion of it. You can't have it both ways. Oh wait, it's not about the land, it's about attacking the Trump administration.
the Feds should start by giving back chunks of "federal" lands to the States NOT selling it off to private entities. And the people of the states should decide what they want to do with it. and hopefully the people will pay attention and NOT be so foolish to sell off all the new land to rich developers and mining companies for a dollar. And since the states would get the land basically "for free" it's not a inconceivable that it could GIVE away land to groups and persons. maybe even in open lottery type scenarios. The land is in fact PUBLIC land and therefore already belongs to all the residents of the state. Any benefits should be for the public good. And any release into private hands should be PUBLIC, well announced and voted on.

So, yes i CAN complain that there to much FEDERAL land and Complain that Trump or any president is selling them off to cronies or lowlife corporate interest, with little to no benefit to the citizens at large.

But AZ i have to ask is your kee jerk reaction to ANY complaint about Trump that people just don't like Trump?
that's pretty lame.
Is that what you did to Obama and Bill Clinton? so you now assume that everyone else does it too?

I'm asking. Seriously.

I mean I know I don't agree with Trump on a lot, and i don't think much of him a person, but I do agree with him on some of things he's doing as president.
And I've been pretty vocal in his defense on the BS Russian Collusion crap.
I've agreed with him on his abortion actions, and his choices for the SCOTUS and with his nixing of the climate accords and the TTP among other things.
But in many other areas I think he's flat wrong. Because the policies are bad. Or in fact unconstitutional as were the attacks on Syria.

So look, if you've got sound rational defense, a constitutional defense, for Trump's actions which i complaining about, then just show me and change my mind.
But if not, don't make up side show stories about my so-called "real motives". You're just way off based there.
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the west doesn't have too much public land
we have just enough and trump and train need to leave it be
one thing we dont need is another mine

by any objective standard that TOO MUCH.
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by any objective standard that TOO MUCH.
wilderness and desert have a great psychological affect on the traveler. Teddy Roosevelt understood this.
we do not want to pass industrial glut on the way to Yellowstone or the Arches.
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Assuming stink progress is reporting accurately, not likely, the sale would represent less than 2% of the 880,000 acres removed from the park. Wow, what a scandal.
At 2% per year in 50 years there's no public land left.
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wilderness and desert have a great psychological affect on the traveler. Teddy Roosevelt understood this.
we do not want to pass industrial glut on the way to Yellowstone or the Arches.
So, you (and the ubiquitous 'we') are the only ones who should make decisions about who should or wants to see what on their way to State land.

But there are starving children, and old people who need heat in the winter, and...and....

Find your balance salty. Then face reality.....
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