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Old 01-25-2018, 09:04 PM
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Trump immigration proposal could provide path to citizenship for 1.8 million in US illegally | Fox News

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The White House Thursday released an immigration plan that would offer a path to citizenship for approximately 1.8 million of the so-called "Dreamers," along with a $25 billion investment in border security -- including for President Trump's long-promised wall.

The White House was expected to provide more details of the president's proposal early next week. But the proposal represents a reversal for Trump and could provoke resistance among his conservative allies.

In September, Trump ended the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which currently covers roughly 690,000 immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

"We're not looking at citizenship," Trump told reporters at the time. "We're not looking at amnesty. We're looking at allowing people to stay here."
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Wait,What???

I thought President Trump hated immigrants.
Especially so called people of color
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This was literally the agreemant he already made with Schumer before he changed his mind on it after getting heat from the far right and some members of his staff. His intention was always to trade DACA for his wall.

How do we know he will keep his word this time?

As long as tRUmp doesn't flip flop again I'm fine with this deal. Everyone with any sense knows the wall isn't getting built anyways.
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How the hell did amnesty for 690,00 illegal immigrants suddenly become amnesty for 1.8 million? Doesn't Trump realize he's going to lose the support of many who put him in office? Doesn't he realize that every amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration?
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Anyone who has is against illegal immigration and been paying attention knows that this is a bad deal. Because last I checked the government had 30 years since the Reagan amnesty to crack down on illegal immigration and that border fence Bush signed into law never got completed. Plus why should we reward the people who are basically making the border fence and other anti-illegal immigration measures necessary with legal status? That is like letting the burglar keep your stuff in exchange for an alarm for your home and a guard dog to help guard your home.
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How the hell did amnesty for 690,00 illegal immigrants suddenly become amnesty for 1.8 million? Doesn't Trump realize he's going to lose the support of many who put him in office? Doesn't he realize that every amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration?
There are roughly 700,000 registered under the DACA program but there are roughly 1.8 million Americans that were brought into the United States as children, grew up here, and have spent their entire adult lives as Americans. They have no other country but the United States to call their home. In many cases their spouse is an American citizen and their children are American citizens. The only reason that they're undocumented is because our laws never provided them a means to become documented once they became an adult living in the United States.

Basically when they turned 18 the law required them to have documentation allowing them to be in the United States but they weren't provided with any means to obtain that documentation. The problem was fundamentally our laws because we were requiring them to do something they couldn't do. They couldn't return to their "home country" because the United States was the only country they'd ever known as an adult.

No, this does not encourage illegal immigration because none of those that fall into the category of "childhood arrivals" are illegal immigrants. Their parents were but because they were minors at the time they were brought here they were not personally in violation of the law.
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How the hell did amnesty for 690,00 illegal immigrants suddenly become amnesty for 1.8 million? Doesn't Trump realize he's going to lose the support of many who put him in office? Doesn't he realize that every amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration?
I wouldn't worry about Trump's base. According to the left leaning "experts" here Trump Cult followers won't waiver when their "messiah breaks a promise."

What I find amazing is that Democrats won't support his initiatives, even when they are in alignment with what they have been demanding. Last week the left was willing to shut the government down over the issue of illegals squatting here in the USA. Demanding a solution for 800,000 "special circumstance children. The President offers essential amnesty for twice that number and, so far, they refuse to support that.

What happened to their humanity? Are the Dems so anti Trump they are willing to keep these people in limbo status until Bonaparte gets out of Elba,,,; I mean Hillary gets out of Chappaqua?
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There are roughly 700,000 registered under the DACA program but there are roughly 1.8 million Americans that were brought into the United States as children, grew up here, and have spent their entire adult lives as Americans. They have no other country but the United States to call their home. In many cases their spouse is an American citizen and their children are American citizens. The only reason that they're undocumented is because our laws never provided them a means to become documented once they became an adult living in the United States.

Basically when they turned 18 the law required them to have documentation allowing them to be in the United States but they weren't provided with any means to obtain that documentation. The problem was fundamentally our laws because we were requiring them to do something they couldn't do. They couldn't return to their "home country" because the United States was the only country they'd ever known as an adult.

No, this does not encourage illegal immigration because none of those that fall into the category of "childhood arrivals" are illegal immigrants. Their parents were but because they were minors at the time they were brought here they were not personally in violation of the law.
Really? We have a new legal doctrine that minors cannot violate immigration laws. Granting amnesty to so-called Dreamers based on some fiction that there is some unmet obligation on the part of the US is nonsense.

There is a way for the so-called Dreamers to comply with US law, return to their country of origin. The US is not obligated to allow them to stay here just because they want to, they have enjoyed the benefits of living in the US but need to comply with US law like the rest of us.
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Anyone who has is against illegal immigration and been paying attention knows that this is a bad deal.
Only the hard core Trump water boys are defending this latest failed campaign promise.....
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There are roughly 700,000 registered under the DACA program but there are roughly 1.8 million Americans that were brought into the United States as children, grew up here, and have spent their entire adult lives as Americans. They have no other country but the United States to call their home. In many cases their spouse is an American citizen and their children are American citizens. The only reason that they're undocumented is because our laws never provided them a means to become documented once they became an adult living in the United States.

Basically when they turned 18 the law required them to have documentation allowing them to be in the United States but they weren't provided with any means to obtain that documentation. The problem was fundamentally our laws because we were requiring them to do something they couldn't do. They couldn't return to their "home country" because the United States was the only country they'd ever known as an adult.

No, this does not encourage illegal immigration because none of those that fall into the category of "childhood arrivals" are illegal immigrants. Their parents were but because they were minors at the time they were brought here they were not personally in violation of the law.
From the time they reached age 18, to their current age, they could have applied for citizenship.

Apparently they didn't.

Which makes them illegal, hence criminals.
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