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I say that tongue in cheek, because I know that absolutely NO liberal will EVER put his money or labors, where his mouth is. It's always on the backs of someone else.
you say that like new york city and southern california ain't payin for mississippi and alabama
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You have an incorrect view of 'liberals'. Honestly, do you even know any democrats or just go with that you hear on talk radio?

Building a wall wont actually do anything to stop illegal immigration. Its a waste of money. and 18 Billion won't build hardly any of the wall anyways. Its just for a photo op so Trump can say he delivered, but like everything with Trump, its all a con.

seriously, Immigration is a tough complicated subject, building a wall is such a stupid thing to do.
Building a wall, to me, only means making the border secure so as to not let just anybody walk into the country.

We know that we will not have a 2,000 mile wall.
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Building a wall, to me, only means making the border secure so as to not let just anybody walk into the country.

We know that we will not have a 2,000 mile wall.
A Rattlesnake or an Antelope does not recognize a national border. It amazes me that the Environmental groups have not aggressively opposed the wall. But then their too busy with AGW

Again, I must come out against the wall. It may well be effective. East Germany used one to great effect in Belin. But it will stand not only as an impediment to nature but to the general good will of man.

I predict, if built, it will come down within 30 years, just as did the one erected in Berlin.
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You have an incorrect view of 'liberals'. Honestly, do you even know any democrats or just go with that you hear on talk radio?

Building a wall wont actually do anything to stop illegal immigration. Its a waste of money. and 18 Billion won't build hardly any of the wall anyways. Its just for a photo op so Trump can say he delivered, but like everything with Trump, its all a con.

seriously, Immigration is a tough complicated subject, building a wall is such a stupid thing to do.

Hmm, if we look at the actual results of building a wall or in this case a barrier fence. We can judge by actual results instead of childish name calling.

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Those advocating expanded fencing already have a model they can look to: a fence the federal government built more than a decade ago along a 14-mile-stretch in San Diego, Calif., that borders Tijuana, Mexico.

Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border.

Back then, Border Patrol agent Jim Henry says he was overwhelmed by the stream of immigrants who crossed into the United States illegally just in that sector.

"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double and in some places, triple fencing.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5323928

The San Diego sector wall is not nearly as robust a barrier as is proposed for the new wall project. But it would be stupid to dismiss a better, expanded wall as "doing nothing to stop illegal crossings" .

The true superiority of the wall is that after it is built it becomes difficult for open borders politicians to tear it down. As we have seen with the flood of unaccompanied minors illegally crossing into the US all it takes to turn the border patrol into a concierge service is a sympathetic President determined to swell the future voter rolls with good Democrats.
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Can Mexico afford 18 BILLION $?
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Hmm, if we look at the actual results of building a wall or in this case a barrier fence. We can judge by actual results instead of childish name calling.



https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5323928

The San Diego sector wall is not nearly as robust a barrier as is proposed for the new wall project. But it would be stupid to dismiss a better, expanded wall as "doing nothing to stop illegal crossings" .

The true superiority of the wall is that after it is built it becomes difficult for open borders politicians to tear it down. As we have seen with the flood of unaccompanied minors illegally crossing into the US all it takes to turn the border patrol into a concierge service is a sympathetic President determined to swell the future voter rolls with good Democrats.
The truth of it is this. No wall will secure a border if the people behind it are not vigilant and consistent in it's application. Thus essentially making the wall not much different that our law enforcement efforts.

Without a national unity of values and purpose, we are not going to remain a cohesive nation, just because we have erected a wall. And now you now the reason the media, and our current government, is so hell bent on our division.
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The truth of it is this. No wall will secure a border if the people behind it are not vigilant and consistent in it's application. Thus essentially making the wall not much different that our law enforcement efforts.

Without a national unity of values and purpose, we are not going to remain a cohesive nation, just because we have erected a wall. And now you now the reason the media, and our current government, is so hell bent on our division.
The wall will not independently secure the border. it is a force multiplier for border enforcement. The wall will not give us a sense of unity or purpose nor make mounds of creamy Cole slaw. But it is a tangible start to securing the border.

It would be naive to buy the same deal the Reagan administration signed off on many years ago. Amnesty now for border security later. Sadly that is all the promises are for most of the Democrats and RINO's opposed to the wall, empty promises.
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The wall will not independently secure the border. it is a force multiplier for border enforcement. The wall will not give us a sense of unity or purpose nor make mounds of creamy Cole slaw. But it is a tangible start to securing the border.

It would be naive to buy the same deal the Reagan administration signed off on many years ago. Amnesty now for border security later. Sadly that is all the promises are for most of the Democrats and RINO's opposed to the wall, empty promises.
I understand how the wall would work as a force multiplier. Like I said, it worked for East Berlin. We are not a free nation if we must wall ourselves in. Reagan, and subsequently Bush41, should never have accepted the deceit laid upon the USA population by the Democrats in that false amnesty deal.

Force multiplier you say,,,,;
There are no walls around Canada. You work there as an illegal, you go to jail. And the nationalism of Canadians is the force multiplier there. Same is true in Mexico to be blunt about it.

Again, unpopular as it is with many of my friends here, I stand on my position that the wall is bad for the environment and not good for a nation of supposedly free peoples. Perhaps we should consider enforcing our laws before we screw up nature and wall ourselves in to boot.

$18 Billion buys a lot of hardware and pays a lot of LEO's. They don't need to stand shoulder to shoulder on the border. They need to clean up our "Outlaw" sanctuary Cities.

Or do we foolishly believe the wall will dry up the cheap labor they allow to come and work in their service industries.
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A Rattlesnake or an Antelope does not recognize a national border. It amazes me that the Environmental groups have not aggressively opposed the wall. But then their too busy with AGW

Again, I must come out against the wall. It may well be effective. East Germany used one to great effect in Belin. But it will stand not only as an impediment to nature but to the general good will of man.

I predict, if built, it will come down within 30 years, just as did the one erected in Berlin.
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